{"id":205367,"date":"2021-03-15T15:24:40","date_gmt":"2021-03-15T15:24:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.meydan.tv\/article\/keramet-boyukcol-dehset-odur-ki-senzurani-sene-cemiyyet-xalq-qoyur\/"},"modified":"2021-03-15T15:24:40","modified_gmt":"2021-03-15T15:24:40","slug":"keramet-boyukcol-dehset-odur-ki-senzurani-sene-cemiyyet-xalq-qoyur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.meydan.tv\/az\/article\/keramet-boyukcol-dehset-odur-ki-senzurani-sene-cemiyyet-xalq-qoyur\/","title":{"rendered":"K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:\u00a0D\u0259h\u015f\u0259t odur ki, senzuran\u0131 s\u0259n\u0259 c\u0259miyy\u0259t, xalq qoyur"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n    <iframe\ttitle=\"K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l - Aysel \u018flizad\u0259: \u018fd\u0259biyyat, c\u0259miyy\u0259t, yaltaql\u0131q v\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259t bar\u0259d\u0259...\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/NFQvo7oo2KA\"\tframeborder=\"0\"\tallow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" data-load-mode=\"1\"><\/iframe>\n  <\/div><figcaption>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l &#8211; Aysel \u018flizad\u0259: \u018fd\u0259biyyat, c\u0259miyy\u0259t, yaltaql\u0131q v\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259t bar\u0259d\u0259&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    <i><br \/>\n      Aysel \u018flizad\u0259: \u201c\u00d6lk\u0259d\u0259 sa\u011flam bir sah\u0259 qalmay\u0131b\u201d<br \/>\n    <\/i><br \/>\n  <\/b>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    <i><br \/>\n      K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l: \u201cBizd\u0259 \u201cm\u0259n siyas\u0259t\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fm\u0131ram\u201d s\u00f6yl\u0259y\u0259nl\u0259rin bir s\u0259b\u0259bi var: qorxu\u201d<br \/>\n    <\/i><br \/>\n  <\/b>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    <i><br \/>\n      Yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131-publisitl\u0259r &#8211; Aysel \u018flizad\u0259 v\u0259 K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l\u00fcn m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259n \u00f6nc\u0259 c\u0259miyy\u0259t v\u0259 \u0259d\u0259biyyat bar\u0259d\u0259 sosial<br \/>\n    <\/i><br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  <b><br \/>\n    <i><br \/>\n      \u015f\u0259b\u0259k\u0259l\u0259rd\u0259ki video \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015flar\u0131 siyasi diskursa \u00e7evrilmi\u015fdi. H\u0259min vaxt h\u0259r iki yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131-publisist Meydan TV-nin qona\u011f\u0131 oldu, lakin c\u0259bh\u0259 b\u00f6lg\u0259sind\u0259 at\u0259\u015fk\u0259sin pozulmas\u0131 v\u0259 II Qaraba\u011f sava\u015f\u0131n\u0131n ba\u015flanmas\u0131 m\u00f6vzunu arxa plana ke\u00e7irdi.<br \/>\n    <\/i><br \/>\n  <\/b>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    <i><br \/>\n      Meydan TV yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n s\u0259sl\u0259ndirdiyi probleml\u0259rin bu g\u00fcn d\u0259 aktual oldu\u011funu n\u0259z\u0259r\u0259 al\u0131b m\u00fcsahib\u0259ni geni\u015f ictimai m\u00fczakir\u0259y\u0259 t\u0259qdim edir:<br \/>\n    <\/i><br \/>\n  <\/b>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Sizin son \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131z ictimai diqq\u0259ti c\u0259lb edir, hans\u0131 s\u0259b\u0259bl\u0259r bu a\u00e7\u0131qlamalar\u0131 verm\u0259y\u0259 vadar etdi?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  \u018fvv\u0259la, t\u0259kc\u0259 \u00f6z sah\u0259n \u00fczr\u0259 yox, bir v\u0259t\u0259nda\u015f olaraq probleml\u0259r\u0259 diqq\u0259t k\u0259sirs\u0259n v\u0259 bird\u0259n g\u00f6r\u00fcrs\u0259n ki, bu probleml\u0259r el\u0259 h\u0259dd \u00e7at\u0131b, ya h\u0259ll olunmal\u0131, ya da bird\u0259f\u0259lik da\u011f\u0131lmal\u0131d\u0131r. Y\u0259ni probleml\u0259r pik h\u0259dd\u0259dir. Bir \u00f6lk\u0259nin m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259ti s\u00f6z m\u00f6vzusudursa, burada h\u0259r hans\u0131sa yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131, m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t m\u00fct\u0259x\u0259ssisi susqunluq s\u0259rgil\u0259y\u0259 bilm\u0259z. M\u0259n h\u0259l\u0259 \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259ki probleml\u0259rd\u0259n dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131ram, pandemiya d\u00f6vr\u00fcnd\u0259 insanlar\u0131n \u0259ziyy\u0259tind\u0259n, sosial yard\u0131mlar \u00fcz\u0259rind\u0259 qurulan oyunlardan, 190 manat u\u011frunda sava\u015fdan, insanlar\u0131n biznesinin \u00e7\u00f6km\u0259sind\u0259n dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131ram. Bunlar tutaq ki, bizim sah\u0259miz deyil, iqtisad\u00e7\u0131lar, sosioloqlar bu bar\u0259d\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131rlar. M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t sah\u0259sind\u0259 nazirin getm\u0259sind\u0259n 4 ay ke\u00e7ib, h\u0259l\u0259 yeniliyin olmamas\u0131n\u0131 vur\u011fulay\u0131ram. H\u0259l\u0259 yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn bir qononar sisteminin m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259nl\u0259\u015fdirilm\u0259diyini, bir \u00f6lk\u0259nin \u0259d\u0259biyyat\u0131ndan, m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259tind\u0259n s\u00f6hb\u0259t gedir, bir add\u0131m\u0131n at\u0131lmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcy\u00fcm anda yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 \u00f6z\u00fcn\u0259 sual verir: \u00fcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, m\u0259n harda ya\u015fay\u0131ram? Bu etiraz, \u00fcsyan oradan qaynaqland\u0131. Bir h\u0259kim m\u0259n\u0259 dedi ki, Aysel xan\u0131m, sizd\u0259n pul g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u0259 bilm\u0259r\u0259m, siz k\u00fc\u00e7\u0259d\u0259 kitab sat\u0131rs\u0131n\u0131z, insanlar\u0131n aya\u011f\u0131na gedirsiniz, bu qazanc\u0131 g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u0259 bilm\u0259rik. Bir anl\u0131q d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcm ki, Allah\u0131m, \u00e7\u00f6ld\u0259 XXI \u0259srdir, Az\u0259rbaycan yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131s\u0131 evind\u0259 kitab\u0131n\u0131n nec\u0259 satmas\u0131n\u0131n yolunu aray\u0131r. Tamam, pandemiya d\u00f6vr\u00fcd\u00fcr, kitab d\u00fckanlar\u0131 ba\u011fl\u0131 oldu, b\u0259s M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t Nazirliyi n\u0259 etdi? Ya \u00f6zl\u0259rini yox elan etsinl\u0259r, desinl\u0259r ki, formal olaraq nazirlikdir, amma yoxdurlar\u2026\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Ancaq d\u00f6vl\u0259t onlara b\u00fcdc\u0259 ay\u0131r\u0131r&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  B\u0259li, ay\u0131r\u0131r, amma bel\u0259 v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259 Yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar Birliyi, M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t Nazirliyi ya \u00f6zl\u0259rinin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 elan etsinl\u0259r, lap g\u0259ncl\u0259r sektoru da, \u0259ks t\u0259qdird\u0259, \u00fcsyan, etiraz g\u00f6r\u0259c\u0259kl\u0259r. N\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r susmaq olar? \u00d6mr\u00fcm\u00fcz, zaman\u0131m\u0131z gedir, u\u015faqlar\u0131m\u0131z b\u00f6y\u00fcy\u00fcr. Bu \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 t\u0259kc\u0259 h\u0259r k\u0259sin \u00f6z qarn\u0131ndan s\u00f6hb\u0259t getmir, g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k n\u0259sill\u0259ri d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u00fck. Onlar \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn n\u0259 qoyuruq, n\u0259 yarad\u0131r\u0131q? Bel\u0259 \u00f6lk\u0259 olarm\u0131, ham\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcns\u00fcn ki, u\u015faq b\u00f6y\u00fcs\u00fcn, onu nec\u0259 xaric\u0259 qa\u00e7\u0131r\u0131m.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259nim insanlar\u0131n qar\u015f\u0131s\u0131na \u00e7\u0131x\u0131b yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 kimi m\u0259sl\u0259h\u0259t verm\u0259k iddiam yoxdur. \u00c7\u00fcnki bu x\u00fcsusiyy\u0259tl\u0259r m\u0259nim \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn art\u0131q la\u011fla\u011f\u0131 m\u00f6vzusuna \u00e7evrilib. Y\u0259ni bel\u0259 bir v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259 v\u0259 bel\u0259 bir c\u0259miyy\u0259td\u0259 kim\u0259 a\u011f\u0131l ver\u0259s\u0259n, yol g\u00f6st\u0259r\u0259s\u0259n? Bir s\u00f6z var: \u201cAra qar\u0131\u015f\u0131b, m\u0259zh\u0259b itib, al\u0259m qar\u0131\u015f\u0131b\u201d. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 m\u0259n g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k bar\u0259d\u0259 d\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u0259 bilmir\u0259m. B\u0259z\u0259n deyirl\u0259r ki, K\u0259ram\u0259t daha \u00e7ox \u015f\u0259xsi maddi-m\u0259n\u0259vi probleml\u0259rind\u0259n \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f edir, onda cavab verir\u0259m ki, tamam, \u00f6z probleml\u0259rimi dil\u0259 g\u0259tirir\u0259m, ev yox, i\u015f yox, qalm\u0131\u015fam ortal\u0131qda avara-s\u0259rg\u0259rdan. B\u0259li, m\u0259n \u00f6z problemimi deyir\u0259m, s\u0259n d\u0259 \u00f6z problemini qald\u0131r da. H\u0259r\u0259 \u00f6z d\u0259rd-s\u0259rini dil\u0259 g\u0259tirs\u0259, problem qalmaz ki. Ancaq d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259m\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259, bir yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 kimi c\u0259miyy\u0259t\u0259 baxanda, bizim azad, demokratik, sivil c\u0259miyy\u0259t dem\u0259kl\u0259 al\u0131nm\u0131r. Bunlar bir g\u00f6z q\u0131rp\u0131m\u0131nda h\u0259ll olunan m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259l\u0259r deyil. Biz azad se\u00e7ki, sivil c\u0259miyy\u0259t ist\u0259yiriks\u0259, 30-40 il \u0259vv\u0259l proses ba\u015flamal\u0131yd\u0131 ki, indi onun hans\u0131sa m\u0259rh\u0259l\u0259sin\u0259 \u00e7atayd\u0131q. Y\u0259ni durum q\u0259lizdir. Biz hakimiyy\u0259ti q\u0131nay\u0131r\u0131q, daim t\u0259nqid edirik, s\u0259mimi deyir\u0259m, hakimiyy\u0259t haqq\u0131nda t\u0259nqidl\u0259rimin 1-2 faizini c\u0259miyy\u0259timiz v\u0259 xalq\u0131m\u0131z haqq\u0131nda dey\u0259 bilmir\u0259m. M\u0259n hakimiyy\u0259ti t\u0259nqid etm\u0259kd\u0259n qorxmuram, amma xalq\u0131 t\u0259nqid etm\u0259kd\u0259n qorxuram, m\u00fcxalif\u0259ti t\u0259nqid etm\u0259kd\u0259n is\u0259 daha \u00e7ox qorxuram. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259tin senzuras\u0131 d\u0259h\u015f\u0259t bir \u015fey deyil. D\u0259h\u015f\u0259t odur ki, senzuran\u0131 s\u0259n\u0259 c\u0259miyy\u0259t, xalq \u00f6z\u00fc qoyur. Bax bizim c\u0259miyy\u0259td\u0259 yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131n\u0131n azadl\u0131\u011f\u0131, yazd\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131 kapitala \u00e7evirm\u0259si, qazanc \u0259ld\u0259 edib dolanmas\u0131 \u00e7ox \u00e7\u0259tin m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259dir.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Aysel xan\u0131m, \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131zda prezidenti istefaya \u00e7a\u011f\u0131rd\u0131n\u0131z v\u0259 dediniz ki, sizin r\u0259hb\u0259rlik etdiyiniz \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 \u00f6vlad\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n ya\u015famas\u0131n\u0131 ist\u0259mirsiniz. Do\u011frudanm\u0131, v\u0259ziyy\u0259t o q\u0259d\u0259r qorxuludur?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  B\u0259li, v\u0259ziyy\u0259t \u00e7ox pisdir, m\u0259n bel\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u0259m. \u00d6lk\u0259d\u0259 sa\u011flam bir sah\u0259 qalmay\u0131b: t\u0259hsil, s\u0259hiyy\u0259&#8230; \u018fg\u0259r v\u0259t\u0259nda\u015f ba\u015f\u0131 a\u011fr\u0131yanda da xaricd\u0259 \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc m\u00fcayin\u0259 etdirm\u0259k haqq\u0131nda d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrs\u0259&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    \u018fg\u0259r ona da imkan varsa&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  B\u0259li, imkan\u0131 olsa, ged\u0259r. \u018fg\u0259r az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131n\u0131n imkan\u0131 olsa, u\u015fa\u011f\u0131n\u0131 xaricd\u0259 t\u0259hsil\u0259 g\u00f6nd\u0259r\u0259r. S\u00f6hb\u0259t xaricd\u0259 t\u0259hsilin m\u00fck\u0259mm\u0259l olmas\u0131ndan getmir, v\u0259t\u0259nda\u015f \u00f6z \u00f6lk\u0259sinin t\u0259hsilin\u0259 g\u00fcv\u0259nmir. \u018fg\u0259r az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131n\u0131n m\u0259hk\u0259m\u0259d\u0259 problemi h\u0259ll olunmur v\u0259 o, Avropa M\u0259hk\u0259m\u0259sin\u0259 g\u00fcv\u0259nirs\u0259, fikirl\u0259\u015firs\u0259 ki, \u0259n uza\u011f\u0131 ora ged\u0259r\u0259m, dem\u0259li, durum vahim\u0259lidir. V\u0259 bu \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 u\u015faq b\u00f6y\u00fctm\u0259k, s\u00f6zs\u00fcz ki, qorxuludur. M\u0259n d\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u0259m ki, q\u0131z\u0131m b\u00f6y\u00fcs\u0259, onu hans\u0131 \u00f6lk\u0259y\u0259 g\u00f6nd\u0259rs\u0259m, daha yax\u015f\u0131 olar?! Bax\u0131n, m\u0259nim bu \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259n d\u0259f\u0259l\u0259rl\u0259 getm\u0259k \u015fans\u0131m olub, ged\u0259 bil\u0259rdim, d\u00fczd\u00fcr?! Biz \u00f6lk\u0259mizd\u0259 n\u0259y\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259 qalm\u0131\u015f\u0131q, fikirl\u0259\u015firik ki, ham\u0131 at\u0131b gets\u0259, n\u0259 olacaq? D\u00f6vl\u0259t dediyimiz bir anlay\u0131\u015f var, bir \u0259razi var ki, orada ya\u015fay\u0131r\u0131q. Bu \u0259raziy\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259 c\u00fcmhuriyy\u0259t\u00e7il\u0259r canlar\u0131ndan ke\u00e7ib s\u0259rh\u0259d c\u0131z\u0131blar, \u015f\u0259hidl\u0259rimiz olub. Bu \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 m\u00fcst\u0259qillik \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn \u00f6l\u0259n insanlar\u0131n s\u00fcm\u00fckl\u0259ri var, biz at\u0131b hara ged\u0259k, kim\u0259 buraxaq bu m\u0259ml\u0259k\u0259ti? Bax, bu sual beynimd\u0259 f\u0131rlan\u0131b dey\u0259 getm\u0259mi\u015f\u0259m. 10 g\u00fcn s\u0259hh\u0259timl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 Avropa \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259rini g\u0259zmi\u015f\u0259m, h\u0259min g\u00fcnl\u0259rd\u0259 fikrim ancaq Az\u0259rbaycanda olub. Orada ya\u015fayan az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131lar ki, art\u0131q burayla \u0259ll\u0259\u015firl\u0259r. Deyir\u0259m n\u0259 edirsiniz, cavab verirl\u0259r ki, ba\u015fqa c\u00fcr olmur. Hara gedirs\u0259ns\u0259, \u00f6z \u00f6lk\u0259nin probleml\u0259rini d\u0259 \u00f6z\u00fcnl\u0259 apar\u0131rsan. V\u0259ziyy\u0259t vahim\u0259lidir, g\u00fcv\u0259n\u0259c\u0259yimiz bir yer olmal\u0131d\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    El\u0259 bir yer yoxdur?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n tamamil\u0259 qaranl\u0131q g\u00f6rm\u0259k ist\u0259mir\u0259m, \u00f6z\u00fcm d\u0259 qaranl\u0131q adam\u0131 deyil\u0259m. Bu \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f\u0131ma q\u0259d\u0259r t\u0259nqidl\u0259rimd\u0259 i\u015f\u0131q yeri qoyma\u011fa \u00e7al\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015fam, insanlara da \u00fcmid yeri qoyum ki, d\u00fcz\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k. B\u0259li, h\u0259r \u015fey bir anda olmur, xalqlar \u00f6z \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259rind\u0259 \u0259dal\u0259tli c\u0259miyy\u0259t qurmaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn \u00e7ox b\u00f6y\u00fck kataklizml\u0259rd\u0259n, \u00e7\u0259tinlikl\u0259rd\u0259n ke\u00e7ibl\u0259r, biz d\u0259 ke\u00e7irik. H\u0259l\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycanda yalan\u00e7\u0131 sosializm indi da\u011f\u0131l\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Prezident d\u0259 m\u0259murlara irad tutdu ki, sosializm d\u00f6vr\u00fcnd\u0259ki kimi i\u015fl\u0259yirsiniz&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  El\u0259mi?! Eyn\u0259n o c\u00fcr, sosializm m\u0259nim \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn indi da\u011f\u0131l\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n    <i><br \/>\n      Sadalad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z probleml\u0259r h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 olub. \u0130ndi n\u0259 oldu, problem sizin qap\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 d\u00f6yd\u00fc dey\u0259 s\u0259sinizi \u00e7\u0131xartd\u0131n\u0131z, yoxsa \u0259vv\u0259ll\u0259r siyas\u0259t\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fmaq ist\u0259mirdiniz?<br \/>\n    <\/i>\n  <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Yox, h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015fam. Yaland\u0131&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Bilirsiniz, insan m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n bir h\u0259dd\u0259 \u00e7at\u0131r, bo\u011faza y\u0131\u011f\u0131l\u0131r, bezir. Tutaq ki, indi dedikl\u0259rimi 2 il \u0259vv\u0259l yan\u0131mda ba\u015fqa adam dan\u0131\u015fanda onu dinl\u0259m\u0259y\u0259 qorxurdum. 2 il sonra bunlar\u0131 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131ramsa, azdan-\u00e7oxdan c\u0259miyy\u0259tin tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f, oxumu\u015f, m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n d\u00fcnyag\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fc olanam, y\u0259ni bel\u0259si probleml\u0259ri dil\u0259 g\u0259tirirs\u0259, g\u00f6r\u00fcn, cahil, he\u00e7 bir savad\u0131, d\u00fcnyag\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u0259 sahib olmayanlar hans\u0131 v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259 v\u0259 h\u0259dd\u0259dir, nec\u0259 bezibl\u0259r. M\u0259niml\u0259 bir masa arxas\u0131nda oturub s\u00f6z dan\u0131\u015fmaq olur, cahil, savads\u0131zla dan\u0131\u015fmaq olmur. Partlay\u0131\u015f budur da. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 bizd\u0259 \u201cm\u0259n siyas\u0259t\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fm\u0131ram\u201d s\u00f6yl\u0259y\u0259nl\u0259rin bir s\u0259b\u0259bi var: qorxu. Bu \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 siyas\u0259t\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fmamaq qorxmaqd\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    N\u0259d\u0259n qorxmaqd\u0131r?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  : \u018flb\u0259tt\u0259 ki, s\u0259n\u0259 olan t\u0259pkil\u0259rd\u0259n, i\u015fini itirm\u0259kd\u0259n v\u0259 s. Amma m\u0259n c\u0259miyy\u0259timizd\u0259 qorxunun olmamas\u0131n\u0131 ist\u0259yir\u0259m. \u00c7\u00fcnki qorxunun \u00f6z\u00fc \u0259n birinci onu yaradan adamlar\u0131n \u00f6z\u00fcn\u0259 ziyand\u0131r. Bir insan\u0131, c\u0259miyy\u0259ti n\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r qorxu alt\u0131nda saxlamaq olar? G\u00f6r\u00fcn, Az\u0259rbaycan hakimiyy\u0259ti il\u0259 xalq\u0131 aras\u0131nda n\u0259 boyda u\u00e7urum yarad\u0131l\u0131b ki, art\u0131q sual verirl\u0259r ki, s\u0259n xalq\u0131n adam\u0131san, yoxsa hakimiyy\u0259tin? Yax\u015f\u0131, hakimiyy\u0259t xalq\u0131n deyilmi?\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    H\u0259l\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259tin bel\u0259 \u015f\u00fcar\u0131 da var: Heyd\u0259r-Xalq, Xalq-Heyd\u0259r&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  \u018flb\u0259tt\u0259. D\u00f6vl\u0259t bir yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131ya ev verib, h\u0259r hans\u0131 diqq\u0259t g\u00f6st\u0259ribs\u0259, c\u0259miyy\u0259td\u0259 onun haqq\u0131nda fikir formala\u015f\u0131r ki, sat\u0131l\u0131b. Bax bu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259 nec\u0259 olub formala\u015f\u0131b? \u0130ll\u0259rl\u0259 bunu formala\u015fd\u0131r\u0131blar.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Aysel xan\u0131m, niy\u0259 indi dan\u0131\u015fd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 ill\u0259r \u0259vv\u0259l dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131rd\u0131n\u0131z, qap\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 d\u00f6y\u0259nd\u0259n sonra dil\u0259 g\u0259ldiniz?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Hans\u0131 probleml\u0259ri?\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    \u0130ndi dan\u0131\u015fd\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015fam, siyasi m\u0259hbuslar haqq\u0131nda yazd\u0131qlar\u0131m\u0131 he\u00e7 kim yazmay\u0131b. Qiyasla Bayram h\u0259bs olunanda, bir adam onlar\u0131n ad\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7\u0259km\u0259y\u0259 risk etm\u0259di, m\u0259n onlar haqq\u0131nda yaz\u0131 yazd\u0131m.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Yazanlar vard\u0131.<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Yox idi.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Vard\u0131.<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Az idi, \u00e7ox az idi, o da m\u00fcxalif c\u0259bh\u0259d\u0259ydi.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Dem\u0259li, vard\u0131 da.<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n m\u00fcxalif c\u0259bh\u0259 deyildim, yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 idim. M\u0259nim oldu\u011fum z\u00fcmr\u0259d\u0259 he\u00e7 k\u0259s bu bar\u0259d\u0259 dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131rd\u0131. Hakimiyy\u0259t\u0259 mesaj verdim ki, bir c\u00fcml\u0259y\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259 yanl\u0131\u015f add\u0131md\u0131r. Onu susdurun, ba\u015fqa birini susdurun, \u201cQul bayram\u0131n\u0131z m\u00fcbar\u0259k\u201d s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259 onu tutub, bunu d\u00f6y\u00fcn. Bu bir n\u0259tic\u0259y\u0259 g\u0259tirm\u0259y\u0259c\u0259k. M\u0259n haql\u0131yd\u0131m, g\u0259tirm\u0259di d\u0259. Mehman H\u00fcseynov h\u0259bs olunanda da, yazd\u0131m, o c\u00fcml\u0259d\u0259n, N\u0130DA-\u00e7\u0131lar, Tofiq Yaqublu v\u0259 q\u0131z\u0131 h\u0259bs olunanda da yazm\u0131\u015fam. M\u0259n he\u00e7 vaxt susmam\u0131\u015fam, sad\u0259c\u0259, g\u00f6rm\u0259yibl\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Siz MSK-da Ba\u015f m\u0259sl\u0259h\u0259t\u00e7i i\u015fl\u0259y\u0259nd\u0259, AYB-d\u0259 prezident t\u0259qa\u00fcd\u00fc alanda \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 se\u00e7kinin saxtala\u015fd\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcrd\u00fcn\u00fcz d\u0259&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n MSK-da he\u00e7 bir il i\u015fl\u0259m\u0259dim&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Sizin vaxt\u0131n\u0131zda bunlar da olurdu, b\u0259s niy\u0259 M\u0259zahir P\u0259nahova etiraz etm\u0259diniz?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Yox, yalan dan\u0131\u015f\u0131rs\u0131n\u0131z. M\u0259n MSK-ya d\u0259v\u0259t alm\u0131\u015fam, ba\u015f m\u0259sl\u0259h\u0259t\u00e7i kimi. A\u00e7\u0131q deyir\u0259m, orada \u201cAz\u0259rbaycan se\u00e7ki tarixi\u201d kitab\u0131 t\u0259rtib olunmu\u015fdu, m\u0259nim redakt\u0259m\u0259 v\u0259 d\u00fcz\u0259li\u015fim\u0259 ehtiyac oldu\u011funu dedil\u0259r, oxudum, orada da R\u0259sulzad\u0259 v\u0259 El\u00e7ib\u0259yl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 \u00f6z d\u00fcz\u0259li\u015fl\u0259rimi etmi\u015f\u0259m, T\u0259klif etdim ki, bunlar qals\u0131n&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    B\u0259s saxlad\u0131larm\u0131?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Bilmir\u0259m, yalan dey\u0259r\u0259m. H\u0259r halda fikrimi \u0259sasland\u0131rma\u011fa \u00e7al\u0131\u015fd\u0131m. Qar\u015f\u0131mda n\u0259 boyda g\u00fccd\u0259n s\u00f6hb\u0259t getdiyini bilirsinizmi? M\u0259n d\u0259 onlara fikrimi \u0259sasland\u0131rmal\u0131yam, niy\u0259 bu fikrin t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259y\u0259m?! MSK-da \u00e7ox i\u015fl\u0259y\u0259 bilm\u0259dim, h\u0259tta dem\u0259k olar ki, i\u015f\u0259 d\u0259 ged\u0259 bilm\u0259dim.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Ancaq o zaman \u201cC\u0259nab Prezident\u201d ba\u015fl\u0131ql\u0131 yaz\u0131n\u0131z da \u00e7\u0131xm\u0131\u015fd\u0131, Xocal\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fc\u015f\u00fc haqda d\u00f6vl\u0259t ba\u015f\u00e7\u0131s\u0131na yax\u015f\u0131 fikirl\u0259r \u00e7atd\u0131rm\u0131\u015fd\u0131n\u0131z&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  B\u0259li, y\u00fcr\u00fc\u015f ke\u00e7irildi&#8230; Niy\u0259 siyasi m\u0259hbuslar haqda yaz\u0131lardan dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131rs\u0131n\u0131z, amma birc\u0259 d\u0259f\u0259 \u201cC\u0259nab Prezident\u201d yaz\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 yazd\u0131m, onu deyirsiniz? Niy\u0259 \u0259dal\u0259tli ola bilmirsiniz?\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    \u018fdal\u0259tliy\u0259m, \u0259ks t\u0259qdird\u0259, bu suallar\u0131 verm\u0259zdim.<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Yox, o d\u0259f\u0259 s\u00f6hb\u0259t Xocal\u0131 soyq\u0131r\u0131m\u0131ndan gedirdi, m\u0259nim mesaj\u0131m yaln\u0131z hakimiyy\u0259t\u0259ydi. \u0130ndi d\u0259 deyir\u0259m, c\u0259nab prezident, \u0259g\u0259r Qaraba\u011f \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn gets\u0259niz, biz arxan\u0131zday\u0131q. \u018fg\u0259r Xocal\u0131 soyq\u0131r\u0131m \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn gets\u0259niz, yen\u0259 arxan\u0131zday\u0131q. \u018fg\u0259r bu d\u00f6vl\u0259tin ya\u015famas\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn gets\u0259niz, yen\u0259 arxan\u0131zday\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Gedirl\u0259rmi?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n bilmir\u0259m, gedirl\u0259r. ya yox. Xocal\u0131 soyq\u0131r\u0131m\u0131yla ba\u011fl\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fc\u015f onu d\u00fcnyaya tan\u0131tmaq idi. O faci\u0259 ad\u0131na b\u00f6y\u00fck bir t\u0259nt\u0259n\u0259li t\u0259dbir idi, Xocal\u0131 hayq\u0131rt\u0131s\u0131yd\u0131. M\u0259n yazd\u0131m ki, c\u0259nab prezident, gedin, biz arxan\u0131zca g\u0259l\u0259rik. Gedirl\u0259rmi, getmirl\u0259rmi, bu m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259nin ayr\u0131 t\u0259r\u0259fidir. Amma m\u0259n hakimiyy\u0259tim\u0259 bu mesaj\u0131 vermi\u015f\u0259m. M\u0259n yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131yam, m\u0259nd\u0259n m\u00fcxalif\u0259t\u00e7i d\u00fcz\u0259ld\u0259 bilm\u0259zsiniz.\n<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n    <i><br \/>\n      He\u00e7 el\u0259 bir niyy\u0259tim d\u0259 yoxdur.<br \/>\n    <\/i>\n  <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Fikriniz var. \u00c7ox adam\u0131n el\u0259 bir fikri var. G\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz, K\u0259ram\u0259t b\u0259y dedi ki, xalq v\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259t aras\u0131nda u\u00e7urum yaran\u0131b. AB\u015e-da demokratlar hakimiyy\u0259t\u0259 g\u0259l\u0259nd\u0259 respublika\u00e7\u0131larla d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259n olmurlar. Biz c\u0259miyy\u0259timizd\u0259 onu g\u00f6rm\u0259k ist\u0259yirik. Bu \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 k\u00f6rp\u00fc olacaq insanlar\u0131n qar\u015f\u0131s\u0131na m\u00fcxalif\u0259t d\u0259 ke\u00e7ib h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259, hakimiyy\u0259t d\u0259. Media ke\u00e7m\u0259m\u0259lidir. \u00c7\u00fcnki bu birl\u0259\u015fm\u0259 olmasa, he\u00e7 n\u0259 al\u0131nmayacaq, k\u00f6rp\u00fc yaratmal\u0131y\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t b\u0259y, prezident\u0259 m\u00fcraci\u0259tinizd\u0259 dediniz ki, siz\u0259 yaltaql\u0131q etm\u0259kd\u0259n bezmi\u015f\u0259m. Sizd\u0259n bel\u0259 bir t\u0259l\u0259b olunubmu ki, \u00f6lk\u0259 ba\u015f\u00e7\u0131s\u0131na yaltaql\u0131q ed\u0259siniz, yoxsa \u00f6lk\u0259nin \u00fcmumi m\u0259nz\u0259r\u0259sini t\u0259svir etmisiniz?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Az\u0259rbaycanda \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259r n\u0259d\u0259n ibar\u0259tdir, yax\u015f\u0131 dolanmaq, yax\u015f\u0131 ya\u015famaq, m\u0259n eyham\u0131 ona vurmu\u015fam. Amma \u0259min\u0259m ki, b\u0259lk\u0259, prezident \u00f6z\u00fc d\u0259 ist\u0259m\u0259z ki, ona bu q\u0259d\u0259r ifrat d\u0259r\u0259c\u0259d\u0259 yaltaql\u0131q olsun. \u00c7\u00fcnki Az\u0259r H\u0259sr\u0259t s\u0259viyy\u0259sind\u0259 yaltaql\u0131\u011f\u0131, \u201cmedia kaptanlar\u0131\u201d v\u0259 b\u0259zi jurnalistl\u0259rin yaltaql\u0131\u011f\u0131&#8230; M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, Aqil Abbas deyir ki, Allah Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyevi Az\u0259rbaycan xalq\u0131na pey\u011f\u0259mb\u0259r g\u00f6nd\u0259rib. B\u00fct\u00fcn sosial \u015f\u0259b\u0259k\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259t haqq\u0131nda a\u011fz\u0131na g\u0259l\u0259ni yaz\u0131r. Prezident dey\u0259r ki, Aqil Abbas, m\u0259nim atam\u0131 \u00f6z m\u0259nafeyin v\u0259 m\u0259qs\u0259dl\u0259rin \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn niy\u0259 bu c\u00fcr m\u00f6vzularla m\u00fczakir\u0259y\u0259 \u00e7\u0131xard\u0131rsan? Atam\u0131 pey\u011f\u0259mb\u0259r etm\u0259k n\u0259dir, adam b\u00f6y\u00fck bir siyas\u0259t\u00e7iydi, bir d\u00f6vl\u0259t xadimiydi, y\u0259ni bunu q\u0259sd\u0259n edirs\u0259nmi ki, camaat hakimiyy\u0259tim\u0259 aqressiv davrans\u0131n? O m\u0259nada yazm\u0131\u015fd\u0131m ki, b\u0259lk\u0259, prezident \u00f6z\u00fc d\u0259 bu s\u0259viyy\u0259d\u0259 olmas\u0131n\u0131 ist\u0259m\u0259zdi.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Ancaq bir pam\u00e7\u0131q\u00e7\u0131 \u0130lham \u018fliyev\u0259 onun 90 il d\u0259 prezident olmas\u0131n\u0131 dey\u0259nd\u0259 g\u00fcl\u00fc\u015fl\u0259 qar\u015f\u0131lam\u0131\u015fd\u0131&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  H\u0259min pamb\u0131q\u00e7\u0131ya he\u00e7 kim h\u0259min s\u00f6z\u00fc dem\u0259yi \u00f6yr\u0259tm\u0259yib. O sad\u0259c\u0259, el\u0259 bir m\u00fchitd\u0259 t\u0259rbiy\u0259 al\u0131b v\u0259 m\u0259n\u0259vi d\u00fcnyas\u0131n\u0131 el\u0259 qidaland\u0131r\u0131b ki, bel\u0259 d\u0259 olmas\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr. M\u0259n o pamb\u0131q\u00e7\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6y\u0259n adam deyil\u0259m. \u00dcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, yaltaq adamlar\u0131 q\u0131nama\u011f\u0131n t\u0259r\u0259fdar\u0131 deyil\u0259m. \u00c7\u00fcnki \u0259g\u0259r buna ba\u015flasaq, \u00f6lk\u0259nin 60-70 faizi silinm\u0259lidir. \u0130cra hakimiyy\u0259tind\u0259 i\u015fl\u0259y\u0259n 30 ya\u015f\u0131nda o\u011flan, bax\u0131rsan, oturu\u015fu yaltaql\u0131q, duru\u015fu yaltaql\u0131q, penc\u0259yinin qaba\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da yaltaqcas\u0131na ba\u011flay\u0131r. Yax\u015f\u0131, s\u0259n\u0259 deyibl\u0259r ki, bir d\u0259f\u0259 \u0259l \u00e7al da. Daha dem\u0259yibl\u0259r ki, dayanmadan \u0259l \u00e7al. Yaltaql\u0131q bu c\u00fcr adamlar\u0131n xasiyy\u0259tin\u0259, mahiyy\u0259tin\u0259 \u00e7evrilib. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 biz insanlar\u0131 yaltaql\u0131q ed\u0259n bir qurulu\u015fa t\u0259nqidl\u0259rimizi bildir\u0259k ki, s\u0259n insan\u0131 niy\u0259 bu g\u00fcn\u0259 qoymusan, bu o\u011ful, q\u0131z atas\u0131d\u0131r, evin ki\u015fisidir. Deputat dey\u0259nd\u0259 ki, siyas\u0259t\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fm\u0131r, bu, art\u0131q yaltaql\u0131qd\u0131r, y\u0259ni bax\u0131n, m\u0259nd\u0259n t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259 g\u00f6zl\u0259m\u0259yin, siyas\u0259t\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fm\u0131ram. Bunlar niy\u0259 bel\u0259 edirl\u0259r? \u00c7\u00fcnki \u015f\u0259rtin bundan ibar\u0259t oldu\u011funu bilirl\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    B\u0259s \u015f\u0259rti kim qoyur?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Siyasi sistemin \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259ridir.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    \u00dcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, prezident \u0259d\u0259biyyata qay\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259rm\u0259lidirmi, prezidentin i\u015fidirmi, bu?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  \u00dcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, d\u00f6vl\u0259t bir az k\u00fcbar olsa, h\u0259r \u015fey\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fmasa, yax\u015f\u0131d\u0131r. D\u00f6vl\u0259t \u00f6z i\u015fl\u0259ril\u0259 m\u0259\u015f\u011ful olmal\u0131d\u0131r, \u0259dal\u0259tli m\u0259hk\u0259m\u0259, azad media sistemi qursun, xarici siyas\u0259tl\u0259 m\u0259\u015f\u011ful olsun. D\u00f6vl\u0259t h\u0259r \u015fey\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fmaz, amma Az\u0259rbaycanda \u0259ksin\u0259dir. D\u00f6vl\u0259t biznesi azad buraxmal\u0131d\u0131r, monopoliyan\u0131, b\u00fcrokratiyan\u0131 l\u0259\u011fv etm\u0259lidir. Bel\u0259 olsa, Az\u0259rbaycan \u00f6z-\u00f6z\u00fcn\u0259 inki\u015faf ed\u0259c\u0259k.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Tipik qay\u0131nana kimi h\u0259r i\u015f\u0259 qar\u0131\u015f\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  B\u0259li, h\u0259r i\u015f\u0259 qar\u0131\u015f\u0131r. M\u0259n demir\u0259m ki, d\u00f6vl\u0259t yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n h\u0259r birin\u0259 pul versin, yox, bu c\u00fcr al\u0131nmayacaq, bunu n\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r etm\u0259k olar?! M\u0259n deyir\u0259m ki, M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t Nazirliyi bu i\u015fl\u0259 m\u0259\u015f\u011ful olsun, \u00f6z\u00fcm d\u0259 layih\u0259 verdim, reaksiya olmad\u0131. Tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f yazar, ictimai xadim\u0259 \u00e7evrilmi\u015f bir yazar fikir bildirirs\u0259, art\u0131q \u00f6lk\u0259nin m\u0259sul qurumlar\u0131 onunla \u0259laq\u0259 saxlay\u0131b problemi soru\u015fmal\u0131d\u0131rlar. \u0130\u015f g\u00f6rm\u0259k ist\u0259y\u0259n nazirlik z\u0259ng vurub soru\u015fmal\u0131yd\u0131 ki, hans\u0131 layih\u0259l\u0259riniz, t\u0259klifl\u0259riniz var, d\u00f6vl\u0259t\u0259 hans\u0131 t\u00f6hf\u0259l\u0259r verm\u0259k ist\u0259yirsiniz, yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n n\u0259 kimi probleml\u0259ri var. Siyas\u0259t budur. Bunlar\u0131n siyas\u0259td\u0259n d\u0259 ba\u015flar\u0131 \u00e7\u0131xm\u0131r. Bu gedi\u015fat\u0131n n\u0259tic\u0259sini g\u00f6r\u0259c\u0259yik, yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n intuisiyas\u0131 d\u00fcz \u00e7\u0131x\u0131r, M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t Nazirliyind\u0259n he\u00e7 n\u0259 g\u00f6zl\u0259m\u0259yin, he\u00e7 n\u0259 olmayacaq.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Az\u0259rbaycanda d\u00f6vl\u0259t yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131ya qay\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259r\u0259nd\u0259 c\u0259miyy\u0259t onu q\u0259bul etmir ki, o yaltaqd\u0131r, h\u00f6kum\u0259t\u0259 i\u015fl\u0259yir. \u00d6lk\u0259d\u0259 o q\u0259d\u0259r yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131, \u015fair var ki, d\u00f6vl\u0259t t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n t\u0259min olunub, amma c\u0259miyy\u0259t onu q\u0259bul etmir. C\u0259miyy\u0259t o adama yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 deyir ki, m\u00fcxalif fikirl\u0259r s\u0259sl\u0259ndirir. Amma c\u0259miyy\u0259ti d\u0259 q\u0131namaq laz\u0131md\u0131r ki, m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, m\u0259n K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l c\u0259miyy\u0259tin yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131s\u0131yam, h\u0259m d\u0259 atayam, h\u0259yat yolda\u015f\u0131yam, o\u011fulam, c\u0259sar\u0259tli fikirl\u0259r deyir\u0259m, b\u00fct\u00fcn m\u0259\u015f\u0259qq\u0259tl\u0259r\u0259 d\u0259 d\u00f6zm\u0259y\u0259 haz\u0131ram. Ax\u0131 s\u0259n m\u0259nim kitab\u0131m\u0131 oxumursan, tutaq ki, \u00e7ox demir\u0259m, 20 min kitab\u0131m\u0131n biri 10 manatdan sat\u0131lsa, 200 min manat edir. Bu pulla \u00f6z\u00fcm\u0259 ev d\u0259, ma\u015f\u0131n da alaram, u\u015faqlar\u0131m\u0131 da doland\u0131r\u0131ram, minimum \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259rl\u0259. M\u0259nim n\u0259yim\u0259 laz\u0131md\u0131r ba\u015fqa \u015feyl\u0259r? H\u0259yat\u0131n, d\u00fcnyan\u0131n faniliyini d\u0259rk etmi\u015f adamam. C\u0259miyy\u0259t bu m\u00fcnasib\u0259ti g\u00f6st\u0259rmir, m\u0259n d\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131ram v\u0259 polis d\u0259 g\u0259lib apar\u0131r, gedib 3-5 il yat\u0131ram, u\u015faqlar qal\u0131r k\u00fc\u00e7\u0259l\u0259rd\u0259, \u00e7\u0131xanda da art\u0131q \u00f6mr\u00fcn yar\u0131s\u0131 bitm\u0259k \u00fczr\u0259dir. S\u0259n he\u00e7 olmasa, m\u0259nim kitab\u0131m\u0131 oxu, gedib kitab\u0131m\u0131n puluyla \u00f6vladlar\u0131m\u0131n minimum ya\u015fay\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131 t\u0259min edim v\u0259 m\u0259n d\u0259 yaltaq olmay\u0131m. Y\u0259ni yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131n\u0131 bu c\u0259miyy\u0259td\u0259 yaltaq olma\u011fa vadar ed\u0259n h\u00f6kum\u0259t yox, xalq\u0131n bigan\u0259liyidir. S\u0259n m\u0259ni oxumayacaqsan, m\u0259n d\u0259 gedib h\u00f6kum\u0259td\u0259n, prezidentd\u0259n xahi\u015f ed\u0259c\u0259m ki, m\u0259n\u0259 ev ver, dolan\u0131\u015f\u0131q \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn i\u015f ver. O da onu ed\u0259c\u0259k, ondan sonra susaca\u011fam.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Ola bilsin, xat\u0131rlatd\u0131\u011f\u0131m fikir \u00e7eyn\u0259nmi\u015fdi, ancaq tarix boyu dahi yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar, \u015fairl\u0259r ya h\u0259bsxanada, ya da dar a\u011fac\u0131n\u0131n alt\u0131nda olublar&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n olmaq ist\u0259mir\u0259m d\u0259.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Yox, kim olub? Tolstoy, Hemenquey kral kimi ya\u015fay\u0131blar&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    Tolstoy sonda evd\u0259n qa\u00e7\u0131b d\u0259miryolu stansiyas\u0131nda \u00f6ld\u00fc, o biri d\u0259 intihar etdi&#8230; Amma H\u00fcseyn Cavid misal\u0131 da var&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  H\u00fcseyn Cavid H\u00fcseyn Caviddir e, o, el\u0259 ya\u015fay\u0131b. M\u0259n d\u0259 deyir\u0259m ki, el\u0259 bil da\u011fa qalx\u0131rsan, c\u0131\u011f\u0131r g\u00f6r\u00fcrs\u0259n, onunla gedirs\u0259n, \u201cyaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 da m\u0259\u015f\u0259qq\u0259tl\u0259r i\u00e7ind\u0259 ya\u015famal\u0131d\u0131r\u201d dem\u0259k sal\u0131nm\u0131\u015f bir c\u0131\u011f\u0131rd\u0131r. Ax\u0131 m\u0259n t\u0259kc\u0259 yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131 deyil\u0259m, atayam, niy\u0259 m\u0259\u015f\u0259qq\u0259tl\u0259r i\u00e7ind\u0259 ya\u015famal\u0131yam? \u0130stedad\u0131m var, yaza da bilir\u0259m. Mazoxist\u0259m, \u0259zabdan z\u00f6vq al\u0131m?! C\u0259miyy\u0259t kitab oxumur. M\u0259n d\u0259 gedib h\u00f6kum\u0259t\u0259 deyir\u0259m ki, ev ver. Onda da camaat deyir ki, o sat\u0131l\u0131b. B\u0259s bu yetim neyn\u0259sin?\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    N\u0259hay\u0259t, yekuna g\u0259l\u0259k, m\u00f6vcud idar\u0259etm\u0259 normal \u0259d\u0259bi m\u00fchitin yaranmas\u0131na \u0259ng\u0259l yarad\u0131rm\u0131?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  \u0130ndiy\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r probleml\u0259rd\u0259n dan\u0131\u015fsaq da, ortada n\u0259tic\u0259 yoxdur. M\u0259n t\u0259klif edir\u0259m ki, d\u00f6vl\u0259t m\u00f6vcud problemi h\u0259ll etm\u0259k \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn ilkin olaraq g\u0259ncl\u0259r evl\u0259rini i\u015fl\u0259k v\u0259ziyy\u0259t\u0259 g\u0259tirsin. Prezident \u00f6z\u00fc dedi ki, o evl\u0259r niy\u0259 tikilib v\u0259 bo\u015f qal\u0131b? Eyni zamanda, universitetl\u0259rd\u0259, t\u0259hsil ocaqlar\u0131nda yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n yarad\u0131c\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131na h\u0259r h\u0259ft\u0259 vaxt ay\u0131rmaq, onlar\u0131n seminarlar\u0131n\u0131 t\u0259\u015fkil etm\u0259k, buna qonorarlar ay\u0131rmaq olar, \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015flar\u0131na da o c\u00fcml\u0259d\u0259n. Bax M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t Nazirliyi bu proses\u0259 ba\u015flas\u0131n. Ard\u0131nca sponsorlar\u0131 proses\u0259 c\u0259lb etm\u0259k laz\u0131md\u0131r, art\u0131q bir platforma yarad\u0131lmal\u0131d\u0131r ki, kitablar\u0131 sats\u0131n, K\u0259ram\u0259tl\u0259 Aysel kitab\u0131n\u0131 satmamal\u0131d\u0131r. D\u00fcnyada bel\u0259 olub ki, d\u00f6vl\u0259t kitab sat\u0131\u015f\u0131na ilkin m\u0259rh\u0259l\u0259d\u0259 d\u0259st\u0259k verir. \u018flind\u0259 olan \u00e7ap v\u0259 elektron m\u0259tbuatla t\u0259bli\u011fat i\u015fini qurur, o c\u00fcml\u0259d\u0259n, sahibkarlar\u0131, investorlar\u0131 i\u015f\u0259 qo\u015fur, subsidiya ay\u0131r\u0131r. M\u0259qs\u0259d bu sektoru aya\u011fa qald\u0131rmaqd\u0131r, sonra d\u00f6vl\u0259t qar\u0131\u015fm\u0131r. Bilirsiniz, Az\u0259rbaycan \u0259d\u0259biyyat\u0131 ya\u015famal\u0131d\u0131r, el\u0259 ola bilm\u0259z ki, bir g\u00fcn desinl\u0259r: \u201c\u0130lham \u018fliyevin d\u00f6vr\u00fcnd\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycan yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131 ac\u0131ndan \u00f6l\u00fcrd\u00fc\u201d.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  Bu, r\u0259zal\u0259t olard\u0131. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 biz t\u0259klif edirik ki, bunlar olmas\u0131n.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Bir n\u0259f\u0259r qal\u0131n kitab\u0131n redakt\u0259si \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn i\u015fi bilm\u0259y\u0259n\u0259 10 min manat verib, o da 5 min manat\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcb kitab\u0131 ba\u015fqa adama verib, o da 2500 g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcb qalan\u0131n\u0131 ba\u015fqa adama verib ki, kitab\u0131 redakt\u0259 etsin. Sonda h\u0259min kitab\u0131 f\u0131rlad\u0131b m\u0259n\u0259 100 manata redakt\u0259 etdirdil\u0259r. \u0130ndi d\u00f6vl\u0259t \u0259d\u0259biyyata qay\u011f\u0131n\u0131 nec\u0259 etm\u0259lidir? Biz bunlar\u0131 dan\u0131\u015fandan sonra Anar\u0131 \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131rlar v\u0259 bir binadan m\u0259nzill\u0259r verirl\u0259r. Nec\u0259 ki bir d\u0259f\u0259 800 min manat verdil\u0259r, bundan sonra 1 milyon da ver\u0259c\u0259kl\u0259r. Anar da m\u0259nas\u0131z adamlar\u0131n m\u0259nas\u0131z kitablar\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ap etdir\u0259c\u0259k, el\u0259 t\u0259yinats\u0131z i\u015fl\u0259r\u0259 x\u0259rcl\u0259n\u0259c\u0259k ki, bizim problemimiz yen\u0259 qalacaq. S\u0259nin c\u0259miyy\u0259tind\u0259 bu g\u00fcn ne\u00e7\u0259 K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l var? Apar\u0131b aya\u011f\u0131n\u0131 aya\u011f\u0131n\u0131n \u00fcst\u00fcn\u0259 a\u015f\u0131ran qocalara qay\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259rinc\u0259, bizim kimil\u0259r\u0259 qay\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259rsinl\u0259r d\u0259. Yaxud M\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t Nazirliyi \u201cQ\u0131z\u0131l k\u0259lim\u0259\u201d m\u00fckafat\u0131 verir, el\u0259 m\u0259nas\u0131z adamlara verirl\u0259r ki&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    \u00dcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, m\u00fckafatlara ehtiyac varm\u0131?<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    K\u0259ram\u0259t B\u00f6y\u00fck\u00e7\u00f6l:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  Demir\u0259m m\u0259n\u0259 versinl\u0259r, \u0259dal\u0259tli sistem olsun. M\u0259ni Yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131lar Birliyind\u0259n \u00e7\u0131xar\u0131blar, el\u0259 d\u00fcz edibl\u0259r, orada olanda ham\u0131 m\u0259n\u0259 d\u0131rnaqaras\u0131 bax\u0131rd\u0131, \u00e7\u0131xarandan sonra ciddiy\u0259 ald\u0131lar. Y\u0259ni AYB kimi m\u0259nas\u0131z qurumdan n\u0259s\u0259 umacaq q\u0259d\u0259r a\u015fa\u011f\u0131 adam deyil\u0259m. Amma \u00fcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259 demir\u0259m ki, g\u0259tirib m\u0259n\u0259 pul versinl\u0259r, kef edim, yox. M\u0259n roman yaz\u0131ram v\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycanda \u0259n ciddi adamlar kitab\u0131m haqq\u0131nda deyib ki, o, yaz\u0131\u00e7\u0131d\u0131r. M\u0259n oxumal\u0131yam, dil \u00f6yr\u0259nm\u0259liy\u0259m, intellektimi artrmal\u0131yam, d\u00fcnyan\u0131 g\u0259zm\u0259liy\u0259m, istedad\u0131m\u0131 cilalamal\u0131yam, amma kiray\u0259 pulu arxas\u0131nca d\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015f\u0259m, aliment verir\u0259m, m\u0259i\u015f\u0259tin i\u00e7ind\u0259 tik\u0259-tik\u0259 olub getmi\u015f\u0259m. Bayaq, naraz\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 niy\u0259 indi s\u0259sl\u0259ndirdiyimizin s\u0259b\u0259bini soru\u015fdunuz, ax\u0131 insan m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n h\u0259dd\u0259 \u00e7at\u0131r v\u0259 ya\u015fama\u011f\u0131n m\u0259nas\u0131n\u0131n olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcr. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131r, biz niy\u0259 olmal\u0131y\u0131q?!\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  O ki qald\u0131 m\u0259nim MSK-da i\u015fim\u0259, a\u00e7\u0131q deyir\u0259m, m\u0259n\u0259 v\u0259zif\u0259 d\u0259 t\u0259klif olunub, imtina etmi\u015f\u0259m ki, bu xalq\u0131n sat\u0131lmayan bir q\u0259l\u0259m sahibi olsun.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  &#8211;<br \/>\n  <i><br \/>\n    H\u0259m d\u0259 se\u00e7kisi saxtala\u015fd\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131n&#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/i>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n  <b><br \/>\n    Aysel \u018flizad\u0259:<br \/>\n  <\/b><br \/>\n  M\u0259n \u0259riz\u0259ml\u0259 ordan \u00e7\u0131xm\u0131\u015fam, 3 d\u0259f\u0259 \u0259riz\u0259 yazm\u0131\u015fam. Biz bir yerd\u0259 i\u015fl\u0259m\u0259liyik, ac\u0131ndan \u00f6lm\u0259li deyilik, K\u0259ram\u0259t b\u0259y d\u00fcz deyir. M\u0259n 20 ildir i\u015fsiz\u0259m, zarafat deyil, h\u0259r adam buna d\u00f6zm\u0259z. M\u0259n bu duru\u015fu xalq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn minn\u0259t qoymuram. C\u0259miyy\u0259t \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn etmi\u015f\u0259m, a\u011fr\u0131ma g\u0259l\u0259r, kims\u0259 g\u0259lib des\u0259 ki, Aysel \u018flizad\u0259, filan \u015fey, el\u0259 deyil. Prezident t\u0259qa\u00fcd\u00fcn\u00fcn ilk alanlar\u0131ndan olduq, bu t\u0259qa\u00fcd\u00fc \u0259n sa\u011flam alan biz idik. Siyah\u0131ya bax\u0131n, K\u0259ram\u0259t, Qism\u0259t, R\u0259qib\u0259, m\u0259n, 200 manat verdil\u0259r. B\u0259lk\u0259 d\u0259, prezidentin bundan x\u0259b\u0259ri yox idi, y\u0259qin, d\u0259st\u0259k verm\u0259k ist\u0259yib, bu \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 verib. 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