\n BBC Liparityandan onun erm\u0259ni t\u0259r\u0259finin yanl\u0131\u015fl\u0131qlar\u0131na bax\u0131\u015flar\u0131 v\u0259 Qaraba\u011f\u0131n g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k statusu bar\u0259d\u0259 \u00f6yr\u0259nib.
\n <\/a>\n<\/p>\n\n BBC: Bax\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 q\u0131saca x\u00fclas\u0259 ets\u0259k, bel\u0259 bir \u015fey al\u0131nar: ilk prezident Ter-Petrosyan\u0131n bir hiss\u0259si oldu\u011funuz komandas\u0131 m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259ni dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar v\u0259 g\u00fcz\u0259\u015ft yolu il\u0259 \u00e7\u00f6zm\u0259k ist\u0259yirdi, sonrak\u0131 liderl\u0259rs\u0259 status-kvonu qoruyub saxlamaq niyy\u0259tind\u0259 idi. H\u0259min \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259r\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259, erm\u0259ni h\u0259rbi q\u00fcvv\u0259l\u0259ri Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011fa v\u0259 onun \u0259traf\u0131ndak\u0131 yeddi rayona n\u0259zar\u0259t edirdi.\n<\/p>\n
\n Jirayr Liparityan: T\u0259xmin\u0259n.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bizim administrasiyam\u0131z \u2013 Ter-Petrosyan\u0131n administrasiyas\u0131 s\u00fclh t\u0259r\u0259fdar\u0131 idi. N\u00f6vb\u0259ti administrasiyalar \u2013 x\u00fcsusil\u0259 sonuncusu (y\u0259ni Pa\u015finyan\u0131n kabineti) m\u00fcharib\u0259 ist\u0259yirdi. N\u00f6vb\u0259ti administrasiyalar h\u0259m\u00e7inin dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar apard\u0131lar, lakin son n\u0259tic\u0259 \u201c\u0259g\u0259r he\u00e7 n\u0259 al\u0131nmazsa, m\u00fcharib\u0259y\u0259 qay\u0131daca\u011f\u0131q\u201d idi. V\u0259 Pa\u015finyan q\u0259rar verdi: \u201cHe\u00e7 n\u0259 al\u0131nm\u0131r v\u0259 \u0259g\u0259r bu m\u00fcharib\u0259dirs\u0259, qoy el\u0259 m\u00fcharib\u0259 olsun. V\u0259 biz z\u0259f\u0259r \u00e7alaca\u011f\u0131q\u201d.\n<\/p>\n
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\n BBC:
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\n Dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar niy\u0259 k\u0259sildi?\n<\/p>\n
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\n J.L:
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\n Qaraba\u011f m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259sinin bir ne\u00e7\u0259 t\u0259rkib hiss\u0259si var. Onlardan \u0259saslar\u0131:\n<\/p>\n
\n * Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011f\u0131n statusu;\n<\/p>\n
\n * Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n erm\u0259ni h\u0259rbi q\u00fcvv\u0259l\u0259rinin n\u0259zar\u0259ti alt\u0131nda olan yeddi rayonunun m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259si.\n<\/p>\n
\n At\u0259\u015fk\u0259s ba\u015flayandan beyn\u0259lxalq c\u0259miyy\u0259t biz\u0259 Qaraba\u011f\u0131n m\u00fcst\u0259qilliyini tan\u0131mad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 deyirdi. \u018fg\u0259r Az\u0259rbaycan buna gets\u0259ydi, onlar n\u0259z\u0259ri c\u0259h\u0259rtd\u0259n bunu ed\u0259 bil\u0259rdil\u0259r. Lakin \u00fcmumilikd\u0259 Rusiya, T\u00fcrkiy\u0259, \u0130ran, AB\u015e v\u0259 Fransa Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n \u0259razi b\u00fct\u00f6vl\u00fcy\u00fcn\u0259 \u0259saslanm\u0131\u015f variantlar t\u0259klif edirdil\u0259r. Bu, ayd\u0131n idi. Onlar son 30 ild\u0259 biz\u0259 bunu s\u00f6yl\u0259yirdil\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n
\n \u0130kinci hiss\u0259 \u2013 yer \u00fcz\u00fcnd\u0259 he\u00e7 k\u0259s bizim bu yeddi rayonu saxlayaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 g\u00f6zl\u0259mirdi. Onlar bu v\u0259 ya ba\u015fqa \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259r alt\u0131nda h\u0259min rayonlar\u0131n qaytar\u0131laca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 g\u00f6zl\u0259yirdil\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bizim d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259nl\u0259rimiz v\u0259 bizim dostlar\u0131m\u0131z \u2013 bizim saxta dostlar\u0131m\u0131z \u2013 bu iki m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 \u00fczr\u0259 ard\u0131c\u0131l \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 \u00f6z m\u00f6vqel\u0259rini qoruyub saxlay\u0131rd\u0131lar. Bu ger\u00e7\u0259klikdir. Biz\u0259 m\u00fcnasib\u0259td\u0259 bunun \u0259dal\u0259tli olub-olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 onlar\u0131n problemi deyil.\n<\/p>\n
\n M\u00fcxt\u0259lif administrasiyalar dilomatiya sah\u0259sind\u0259 n\u0259 edirl\u0259rs\u0259 etsin, beyn\u0259lxalq c\u0259miyy\u0259ti haql\u0131 olmas\u0131 fikrind\u0259n d\u00f6nd\u0259r\u0259 bilm\u0259y\u0259c\u0259kdi, v\u0259ssalam.\n<\/p>\n
\n Biz bunu diplomatik iflas saya bil\u0259rik, lakin bu, diplomatiya m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259si deyil \u2013 bu, t\u0259masda oldu\u011fumuz d\u00f6vl\u0259tl\u0259rin \u015f\u0259xsi v\u0259 kollektiv maraqlar\u0131 m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259sidir.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bizim Qaraba\u011f\u0131n m\u00fcst\u0259qillik statusunun \u0259dal\u0259tli say\u0131b-saymama\u011f\u0131m\u0131zdan as\u0131l\u0131 olmayaraq, qar\u015f\u0131m\u0131zda h\u0259tta m\u0259\u011flubiyy\u0259td\u0259n sonra bel\u0259 bu \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259ri q\u0259bul etm\u0259y\u0259 haz\u0131r olmayan d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259n vard\u0131. V\u0259 biz n\u0259z\u0259r\u0259 almal\u0131yd\u0131q ki, zaman ke\u00e7dikc\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycan h\u0259rbi q\u00fcvv\u0259 v\u0259 ehtiyatlar n\u00f6qteyi-n\u0259z\u0259rind\u0259n daha da g\u00fccl\u0259nm\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flay\u0131r. Biz raz\u0131l\u0131\u011fa g\u0259lm\u0259kd\u0259n uzaqla\u015fd\u0131qca, onun yoxlu\u011fu m\u00fcharib\u0259ni daha da yax\u0131nla\u015fd\u0131r\u0131r v\u0259 bizim bu m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259 z\u0259f\u0259r \u015fanslar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 azald\u0131rd\u0131. Daha do\u011frusu, m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 bu c\u00fcr dayan\u0131rd\u0131: \u0259razid\u0259 insanlar\u0131n t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259sizliyinin z\u0259man\u0259ti qar\u015f\u0131l\u011f\u0131nda bu rayonlar\u0131n qaytar\u0131lmas\u0131 ehtimal\u0131n\u0131 yax\u0131na burax\u0131r\u0131qm\u0131? \u0130ndi status bar\u0259d\u0259 raz\u0131la\u015fma \u015fans\u0131n\u0131n yoxlu\u011fu ger\u00e7\u0259kliyind\u0259 onu dig\u0259r imkanlar\u0131n n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259n ke\u00e7iril\u0259 bil\u0259c\u0259yi sonraya saxlaya bil\u0259rikmi?\n<\/p>\n
\n Biz (Ter-Petrosyan\u0131n komandas\u0131) s\u00fclh qar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131nda rayonlar\u0131n b\u00f6y\u00fck hiss\u0259sinin qaytar\u0131lmas\u0131 v\u0259 status m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259sini sonraya qalmas\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn imkan yaratmaq ist\u0259yirdik.\n<\/p>\n
\n N\u00f6vb\u0259ti administrasiyalar q\u0259rara ald\u0131 ki, \u0259razil\u0259ri yaln\u0131z birc\u0259 halda \u2013 Az\u0259rbaycan t\u0259r\u0259fi Qaraba\u011f\u0131n m\u00fcst\u0259qilliyini tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman, ya da he\u00e7 olmasa m\u00fcst\u0259qillikl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 referenduma yol verdiyi halda qaytarmaq olar.\n<\/p>\n
\n Pa\u015finyan\u0131n administrasiya q\u0259rara ald\u0131 ki, dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131n \u0259sas\u0131nda yanl\u0131\u015f postulatlar durur. H\u0259min postulatlar sad\u0259c\u0259 yeddi rayonun qaytar\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutur v\u0259 status m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259sini he\u00e7 c\u00fcr ayd\u0131nla\u015fd\u0131rm\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n
\n (Pa\u015finyan) israr edirdi ki, statusun ayd\u0131nl\u0131\u011fa \u00e7\u0131xar\u0131lmas\u0131 z\u0259ruridir, bu olmadan Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n m\u00f6vqeyini ciddi q\u0259bul etm\u0259k m\u00fcmk\u00fcn deyil, \u00e7\u00fcnki Az\u0259rbaycan israrla \u0259razi b\u00fct\u00f6vl\u00fcy\u00fcn\u00fc ist\u0259yir. V\u0259 o bel\u0259 bir q\u0259rara g\u0259ldi ki, \u0259vv\u0259lc\u0259 status bar\u0259d\u0259 raz\u0131l\u0131\u011fa g\u0259lm\u0259k laz\u0131md\u0131r, \u0259g\u0259r bunun \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn m\u00fcharib\u0259 etm\u0259k laz\u0131m g\u0259l\u0259rs\u0259, o zaman m\u00fcharib\u0259 olacaq v\u0259 biz z\u0259f\u0259r \u00e7alaca\u011f\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n
\n Son 25 ild\u0259 erm\u0259ni t\u0259r\u0259finin m\u0259ntiqi bu c\u00fcr idi v\u0259 biz indi s\u0259hv hesablad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcr\u00fck. \u00d6z\u00fc d\u0259 bu yanl\u0131\u015f hesablamalar irimiqyasl\u0131d\u0131r. M\u0259n m\u00fcharib\u0259nin gedi\u015fat\u0131n\u0131 x\u0131rdal\u0131\u011f\u0131nad\u0259k m\u00fczakir\u0259 etm\u0259k ist\u0259mir\u0259m. Bu m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259 texniki, logistik v\u0259 strateji probleml\u0259r g\u00f6z qaba\u011f\u0131nda idi. Amma el\u0259 bunsuz da ayd\u0131n idi ki, biz \u00f6t\u0259n m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259 oldu\u011fu kimi, bu m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259 rahatl\u0131qla qalib g\u0259l\u0259 bil\u0131m\u0259y\u0259c\u0259yik.\n<\/p>\n
\n V\u0259 indi Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n ba\u015f q\u0259rargah\u0131n\u0131n r\u0259hb\u0259rinin b\u0259yanatlar\u0131ndan \u00f6yr\u0259nirik ki, art\u0131q m\u00fcharib\u0259nin d\u00f6rd\u00fcnc\u00fc g\u00fcn\u00fc Ba\u015f nazir bu bar\u0259d\u0259 x\u0259b\u0259rdarl\u0131q edib.\n<\/p>\n
\n Lakin h\u0259l\u0259 m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259n \u0259vv\u0259l dig\u0259r yanl\u0131\u015f hesablamalar da olub. Erm\u0259ni t\u0259r\u0259fi bir s\u0131ra tamamil\u0259 art\u0131q add\u0131mlar atd\u0131 ki, h\u0259min add\u0131mlar Az\u0259rbaycan v\u0259 T\u00fcrkiy\u0259y\u0259 m\u00fcnasib\u0259td\u0259 provokasiya xarakteri da\u015f\u0131y\u0131rd\u0131.\n<\/p>\n
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\n BBC:
\n <\/b>
\n S\u00f6hb\u0259t hans\u0131 provokasiyalardan gedir?\n<\/p>\n
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\n J.L.:
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\n M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, biz Qaraba\u011f\u0131n g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k statusunu m\u00fczakir\u0259 ed\u0259nd\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycan \u00f6z h\u0259ll yolunu t\u0259klif edir: \u201cQaraba\u011f Az\u0259rbaycand\u0131r\u201d. Bu, beyn\u0259lxalq ictimaiyy\u0259tin m\u00f6vqeyidir. V\u0259 biz h\u0259min vaxt deyirik: dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131 unudun, Qaraba\u011f Erm\u0259nistand\u0131r v\u0259 n\u00f6qt\u0259!\n<\/p>\n
\n \u0130kincisi \u2013 Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n prezidenti v\u0259 Ba\u015f naziri bu yay Sevr s\u00fclh dan\u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n ild\u00f6n\u00fcm\u00fc il\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 b\u0259yanatlar verdi ki, h\u0259min b\u0259yanatlar\u0131 T\u00fcrkiy\u0259nin torpaqlar\u0131na \u0259razi iddias\u0131 hesab etm\u0259k olar.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bundan ba\u015fqa, Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n M\u00fcdafi\u0259 naziri b\u0259yan etdi: \u201cYeni m\u00fcharib\u0259 yeni \u0259razil\u0259rdir\u201d.\n<\/p>\n
\n Ba\u015fqa b\u0259yanatlar da oldu. \u00dcst\u0259lik, bizim t\u0259r\u0259f \u201cAz\u0259rbaycan\u0131n qeyri-legitim lideri\u201d v\u0259 \u201cT\u00fcrkiy\u0259nin diktatoru\u201d haqda dan\u0131\u015fma\u011fa ba\u015flad\u0131. Bu, bizim i\u015fimiz, bizim \u00f6lk\u0259nin i\u015fi deyil, el\u0259 deyilmi? Bu, Az\u0259rbaycan v\u0259 T\u00fcrkiy\u0259d\u0259 demokratiya ideyas\u0131n\u0131 ixrac etm\u0259k c\u0259hdi idi. Y\u0259ni bu \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259rin liderl\u0259ri il\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar apar\u0131rsan v\u0259 onlara qeyri-legitim oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u0259yirs\u0259n.\n<\/p>\n
\n Pa\u015finyan ist\u0259nil\u0259n h\u0259ll yolunun Az\u0259rbaycan, Qaraba\u011f v\u0259 Erm\u0259nistan xalq\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn m\u0259qbul oldu\u011funu b\u0259yan ed\u0259rk\u0259n g\u00f6rk\u0259mli d\u00f6vl\u0259t xadimi oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrd\u00fc. O, bunun dahiyan\u0259 fikir oldu\u011funu hesab edirdi v\u0259 z\u0259nn edirdi ki, \u018fliyev d\u0259 onu t\u0259krarlamal\u0131 v\u0259 q\u0259bul etm\u0259lidir. \u018fks-t\u0259qdird\u0259 o pis liderdir.\n<\/p>\n
\n Amma m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 buras\u0131ndad\u0131r ki, o, h\u0259ll yolunun \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc t\u0259klif etm\u0259di \u2013 \u00fc\u00e7 xalq hans\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fc q\u0259bul ed\u0259c\u0259k?\n<\/p>\n
\n O, h\u0259m\u00e7inin d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrd\u00fc ki, demokratik yolla se\u00e7ilmi\u015f liderl\u0259r daha \u00e7evik ola bil\u0259rl\u0259r. Lakin o \u00f6z\u00fc demokratik yolla, xalq t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n se\u00e7ilmi\u015fdi, lakin s\u0259l\u0259fl\u0259rind\u0259n daha az \u00e7evik oldu. Biz Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n ikinci prezidentini, Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyevd\u0259n daha \u00e7ox mill\u0259t\u00e7i olan El\u00e7ib\u0259yi xat\u0131rlay\u0131r\u0131q. Demokratiyan\u0131n \u00e7eviklikl\u0259 \u00e7ox az \u00fcmumi c\u0259h\u0259ti var.\n<\/p>\n
\n Pa\u015finyan bir d\u0259 hesab edirdi ki, beyn\u0259lxalq ictimaiyy\u0259t Erm\u0259nistan\u0131 demokratiya yolu il\u0259 getdiyi \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn m\u00fckafatland\u0131racaq v\u0259 yeddi rayon \u00fczr\u0259 m\u00f6vqeyini d\u0259yi\u015f\u0259c\u0259k. Lakin bu c\u00fcr d\u0259yi\u015film\u0259l\u0259r t\u0259kc\u0259 onun d\u00fcnya m\u0259nz\u0259r\u0259sind\u0259 \u2013 onun t\u0259s\u0259vv\u00fcr\u00fcnd\u0259 m\u00f6vcuddur.\n<\/p>\n
\n B\u00fct\u00fcn bu yanl\u0131\u015f hesablamalar b\u0259lk\u0259 d\u0259 s\u0259mimi yanl\u0131\u015f hesablamalar idi. Lakin onlar\u0131n reall\u0131qla he\u00e7 bir \u0259laq\u0259si yox idi.\n<\/p>\n
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\n BBC:
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\n Y\u0259ni siz deyirsiniz ki, Erm\u0259nistan hakimiyy\u0259ti reall\u0131\u011f\u0131 d\u00fczg\u00fcn qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndirm\u0259yib?\n<\/p>\n
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\n J.L.:
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\n Bu sad\u0259c\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259tin m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259si deyil. Siz erm\u0259ni siyas\u0259tinin b\u00fct\u00fcn spektrin\u0259 bax\u0131n. Birc\u0259 partiyan\u0131 \u2013 ultrapatriotlar\u0131 m\u00fcst\u0259sna etm\u0259kl\u0259. M\u0259n Respublika Partiyas\u0131nda, \u201c\u00c7i\u00e7\u0259kl\u0259n\u0259n Erm\u0259nistan\u201dda, \u201c\u0130\u015f\u0131ql\u0131 Erm\u0259nistan\u201dda, (Erm\u0259nistan \u0130nqilab Federasiyas\u0131nda) \u201cDa\u015fnaks\u00fctyun\u201dda v\u0259 ya h\u0259r hans\u0131 bir dig\u0259r partiyada beyn\u0259lxalq ictimaiyy\u0259tin s\u00f6yl\u0259dikl\u0259rini dinl\u0259m\u0259yi t\u0259klif ed\u0259n siyas\u0259t\u00e7i g\u00f6rm\u0259mi\u015f\u0259m. Beyn\u0259lxalq ictimaiyy\u0259tin fikri is\u0259 bizim \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn \u0259h\u0259miyy\u0259tli olmal\u0131d\u0131r, \u00e7\u00fcnki biz uduzanda onun yan\u0131na qa\u00e7\u0131r\u0131q v\u0259 ondan yard\u0131m ist\u0259yirik. Onlardan ed\u0259 bilm\u0259y\u0259c\u0259yi \u015feyi ist\u0259yirik.\n<\/p>\n
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\n BBC:
\n <\/b>
\n Y\u0259ni bu m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259d\u0259, \u015f\u0259rti g\u00f6t\u00fcrs\u0259k, K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryan v\u0259 Pa\u015finyan, \u0259vv\u0259lki v\u0259 indiki hakimiyy\u0259t aras\u0131nda f\u0259rq yoxdur?\n<\/p>\n
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\n K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryanla Pa\u015finyan aras\u0131nda f\u0259rq var, lakin m\u0259n\u0259 el\u0259 g\u0259lir ki, m\u00fcxt\u0259lif siyasi q\u00fcvv\u0259l\u0259rd\u0259 bel\u0259 bir hiss vard\u0131 ki, Qaraba\u011f sad\u0259c\u0259 bizim problemimiz deyil v\u0259 qoy onu vasit\u0259\u00e7il\u0259r \u00e7\u00f6zs\u00fcnl\u0259r. \u018fg\u0259r onlar \u00e7\u00f6zm\u00fcrl\u0259rs\u0259, burada qorxulu he\u00e7 n\u0259 yoxdur, bizim vaxt\u0131m\u0131z var. Yox, \u0259g\u0259r m\u00fcharib\u0259 olarsa, biz udaca\u011f\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bu c\u00fcr d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259 t\u0259rzi geni\u015f yay\u0131l\u0131b v\u0259 ham\u0131 (siyas\u0259t\u00e7il\u0259r) ona g\u00f6r\u0259 m\u0259suliyy\u0259t da\u015f\u0131y\u0131r. Bu, siyasi t\u0259s\u0259vv\u00fcr\u00fcn yoxlu\u011fu, anlamamaq, ist\u0259kl\u0259rimizi biz\u0259 ger\u00e7\u0259kd\u0259n laz\u0131m olandan v\u0259 \u0259ld\u0259 ed\u0259 bil\u0259c\u0259yimizd\u0259n ay\u0131ra bilm\u0259m\u0259kdir.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bu, siyasi m\u0259d\u0259niyy\u0259t problemidir. Odur ki, indi Pa\u015finyan\u0131n getm\u0259k laz\u0131m opldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u0259dikl\u0259rind\u0259 m\u0259n soru\u015furam \u2013 b\u0259s onun yerin\u0259 kim g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k? Bir \u00e7ox siyasi q\u00fcvv\u0259 hakimiyy\u0259t ist\u0259yir, m\u0259\u011flubiyy\u0259td\u0259n istifad\u0259 etm\u0259k niyy\u0259tind\u0259dir, lakin onlar yeni yana\u015fmalar t\u0259klif etmir.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Noyabr\u0131n 9-da s\u00fclh ba\u011fland\u0131qdan sonra v\u0259ziyy\u0259ti nec\u0259 g\u00f6r\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fcz?\n<\/p>\n
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\n Bu b\u0259yanat\u0131n iki izah\u0131 ola bil\u0259r. Biri b\u0259dbin v\u0259 y\u0259qin ki, \u0259n do\u011frusu. Lakin bu izah o q\u0259d\u0259r b\u0259dbindir ki, insanlara onu q\u0259bul etm\u0259k \u00e7ox \u00e7\u0259tin olacaq. Bel\u0259likl\u0259, at\u0259\u015fin dayand\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 bar\u0259d\u0259 b\u0259yanat faktiki olaraq Qaraba\u011f m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259sini ba\u011flay\u0131r. Bunu birba\u015fa s\u00f6yl\u0259mir, lakin o, Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n \u0259razi b\u00fct\u00f6vl\u00fcy\u00fc prinsipin\u0259 \u0259saslan\u0131b. V\u0259 Pa\u015finyan, Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n Ba\u015f naziri ona qol \u00e7\u0259kib. Bunu art\u0131q he\u00e7 k\u0259s d\u0259yi\u015f\u0259n deyil.\n<\/p>\n
\n Az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131lar qay\u0131tma\u011fa ba\u015flayacaq v\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycan hakimiyy\u0259ti maksimum insan\u0131n qay\u0131tmas\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn \u0259lind\u0259n g\u0259l\u0259ni ed\u0259c\u0259k. Bizs\u0259 \u00f6z h\u0259mv\u0259t\u0259nl\u0259rimizi, Qaraba\u011f erm\u0259nil\u0259rinin qay\u0131tmas\u0131n\u0131 ist\u0259yirik. Lakin onlar bu c\u00fcr Qaraba\u011fa qay\u0131tma\u011fa haz\u0131rd\u0131rlarm\u0131? \u018fg\u0259r k\u00fctl\u0259vi \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 qay\u0131d\u0131\u015f olmayacaqsa (Qaraba\u011f erm\u0259nil\u0259rinin), Qaraba\u011f\u0131n g\u0259l\u0259c\u0259k statusunu m\u00fczakir\u0259 etm\u0259yin bir m\u0259nas\u0131 yoxdur.\n<\/p>\n
\n Dig\u0259r t\u0259r\u0259fd\u0259n, Rusiya m\u00fcmk\u00fcn q\u0259d\u0259r daha \u00e7ox erm\u0259ninin qay\u0131tmas\u0131nda maraql\u0131d\u0131r. \u00c7\u00fcnki \u0259g\u0259r orada Qaraba\u011f erm\u0259nil\u0259ri olmazsa, Az\u0259rbaycan (rusiyal\u0131 h\u0259rb\u00e7il\u0259r\u0259) dey\u0259 bil\u0259r: sizin burada n\u0259 i\u015finiz var?\n<\/p>\n
\n Lakin Prezident Putin v\u0259 dig\u0259rl\u0259ri (d\u00fcnya liderl\u0259ri) Qaraba\u011f\u0131n statusunun m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259nl\u0259\u015fm\u0259diyini dey\u0259nd\u0259, onlar Qaraba\u011f\u0131n m\u00fcst\u0259qilliyinin m\u00fcmk\u00fcn oldu\u011funu n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutmurlar. Onlar art\u0131q bunun m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, Qaraba\u011f\u0131n Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n bir hiss\u0259si oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u0259yibl\u0259r. Onlar bunu ayd\u0131n \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 qeyd edibl\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n
\n Rusiya diplomatlar ke\u00e7mi\u015fd\u0259 Qaraba\u011f\u0131n Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n t\u0259rkibind\u0259 n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutulmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 he\u00e7 bir layih\u0259ni d\u0259st\u0259kl\u0259m\u0259yib. Onlar\u0131n etdiyi yegan\u0259 \u015fey status m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259sini sonraya saxlama\u011fa raz\u0131la\u015fmaq olub.\n<\/p>\n
\n Noyabr\u0131n 9-da verilmi\u015f b\u0259yanat se\u00e7im \u2013 m\u00fcst\u0259qil Qaraba\u011f v\u0259 ya Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n t\u0259rkibind\u0259 olan Qaraba\u011f aras\u0131nda se\u00e7im bar\u0259d\u0259 s\u00f6hb\u0259tin getm\u0259diyini rahat \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 izah edir. Bu se\u00e7im art\u0131q m\u00f6vcud deyil \u2013 \u0259slind\u0259 bu se\u00e7im he\u00e7 vaxt olmay\u0131b.\n<\/p>\n
\n \u0130ki ssenari bar\u0259d\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar ola bil\u0259r. Erm\u0259ni Qaraba\u011f\u0131 Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n t\u0259rkibind\u0259 \u00e7o\u011frafi, \u0259razi c\u0259h\u0259td\u0259n m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259nl\u0259\u015fdirilmi\u015f vahid olacaqm\u0131, yoxsa erm\u0259nil\u0259r \u0130lham \u018fliyevin dediyi m\u0259d\u0259ni muxtaryy\u0259ti alacaqm\u0131? Bu muxtariyy\u0259t azl\u0131\u011f\u0131n he\u00e7 bir \u0259razi haqq\u0131n\u0131 n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutmur.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bu v\u0259ziyy\u0259t erm\u0259nil\u0259rin T\u00fcrkiy\u0259d\u0259 v\u0259 ya \u0130randa v\u0259ziyy\u0259tin\u0259 ox\u015far olacaq. Orada erm\u0259nil\u0259rin dini azl\u0131q kimi b\u0259zi muxtariyy\u0259ti \u2013 \u00f6z kils\u0259l\u0259ri, m\u0259kt\u0259bl\u0259ri, b\u0259lk\u0259 q\u0259zetl\u0259ri, n\u0259\u015friyyatlar\u0131 v\u0259 erm\u0259ni dili d\u0259rsl\u0259ri var. Lakin \u0259razil\u0259ri yoxdur.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bu iki variant \u2013 \u0259razi v\u0259 ya eks-\u0259razi (Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n t\u0259rkibind\u0259 m\u00fcxtariyy\u0259tdir).\n<\/p>\n
\n V\u0259 azl\u0131qlar \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn z\u0259man\u0259tdir, v\u0259ssalam. \u0130ndi dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar maksimum bununla ba\u011fl\u0131 apar\u0131la bil\u0259r. Lakin m\u00fcst\u0259qillik v\u0259 ya Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n t\u0259rkibin\u0259 ke\u00e7m\u0259k aras\u0131nda se\u00e7imd\u0259n s\u00f6hb\u0259t bel\u0259 ged\u0259 bilm\u0259z.\n<\/p>\n
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\n R\u0259smi Yerevan bunu ba\u015fqa c\u00fcr g\u00f6r\u00fcr. Pa\u015finyan haz\u0131rda beyn\u0259lxalq arenada birba\u015fa Qaraba\u011fan m\u00fcst\u0259qilliyinin tan\u0131nmas\u0131na \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n
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\n M\u0259n d\u0259 el\u0259 bu haqda dan\u0131\u015f\u0131ram, mentalitet d\u0259yi\u015fm\u0259yib. Bu, bizim siyasi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259 t\u0259rzimizin \u0259sas problemidir. Bu problemin \u0259n az\u0131 200 ya\u015f\u0131 var. O yeni deyil. Lakin bizim bu c\u00fcr xo\u015fumuza g\u0259lir \u2013 biz x\u0259yal qurma\u011f\u0131 xo\u015flay\u0131r\u0131q. Biz \u0259dal\u0259tli \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn, ideal \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn m\u00fcmk\u00fcn \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u00fck.\n<\/p>\n
\n X\u0259yal qurmaq bizim h\u0259yat\u0131m\u0131z boyu qurdu\u011fumuz strategiyad\u0131r. Lakin x\u0259yal qurmaq strategiya deyil.\n<\/p>\n
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\n X\u0259yal qurmaq strategiyas\u0131 n\u0259 dem\u0259kdir?\n<\/p>\n
\n J.L.: \u0130nsanlar ist\u0259dikl\u0259ri il\u0259 onlara verilm\u0259li olan\u0131 s\u0259hv sal\u0131rlar. Siz\u0259 he\u00e7 kim he\u00e7 n\u0259 verm\u0259m\u0259lidir. Siz\u0259 ancaq g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u0259 bil\u0259c\u0259yiniz \u015feyi verirl\u0259r. V\u0259 ist\u0259nil\u0259n m\u00fcharib\u0259d\u0259 q\u0259l\u0259b\u0259y\u0259 \u00fcmid b\u0259sl\u0259m\u0259k ger\u00e7\u0259kl\u0259 deyil, mifl\u0259rl\u0259r ya\u015famaqd\u0131r. Biz ger\u00e7\u0259yi q\u0259bul etm\u0259m\u0259k ist\u0259yini, ger\u00e7\u0259yi q\u0259bul etm\u0259m\u0259k metodlar\u0131n\u0131 v\u0259 onu x\u0259yallar\u0131m\u0131zla \u0259v\u0259zl\u0259m\u0259yi h\u0259yata ke\u00e7iririk. Biz bunu inc\u0259s\u0259n\u0259t\u0259 \u00e7evirmi\u015fik.\n<\/p>\n
\n M\u0259n \u00f6z m\u0259qal\u0259l\u0259rimd\u0259 ger\u00e7\u0259yin g\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fcn i\u00e7in\u0259 baxma\u011fa \u00e7a\u011f\u0131randa m\u0259ni t\u0259nqid edir v\u0259 deyirl\u0259r: \u201cB\u0259s ba\u015fqalar\u0131 nec\u0259 olsun?\u201d\n<\/p>\n
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\n Siz n\u0259yi n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutursunuz? Siz erm\u0259ni t\u0259r\u0259finin bax\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 v\u0259 \u0259m\u0259ll\u0259rini t\u0259nqid ed\u0259nd\u0259 siz\u0259 cavab verirl\u0259r: \u201c\u018frdo\u011fan\u0131n v\u0259 \u018fliyevin etdikl\u0259rin\u0259 bax\u0131n\u201d. Siz bunu n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutursunuz?\n<\/p>\n
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\n G\u0259lin d\u0259qiq ayd\u0131nla\u015fd\u0131raq: (hesab edir\u0259m ki) \u018frdo\u011fan v\u0259 \u018fliyev \u00e7ox pis adamlard\u0131r. Amma \u0259g\u0259r bu bel\u0259dirs\u0259, onda ikiqat ehtiyatl\u0131 olmaq laz\u0131md\u0131r. Bu, erm\u0259ni h\u0259yat\u0131n\u0131n paradokslar\u0131ndan biridir. \u018fg\u0259r qar\u015f\u0131m\u0131zda pis adamlar varsa, \u0259g\u0259r onlar bizi genosid\u0259 m\u0259ruz qoymaq ist\u0259yirl\u0259rs\u0259, onda bu aqib\u0259td\u0259n qa\u00e7maq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn strategiya qurmal\u0131y\u0131q, el\u0259 deyilmi?\n<\/p>\n
\n Lakin biz q\u0259hr\u0259man v\u0259 qurban verm\u0259y\u0259 \u00f6yr\u0259\u015fmi\u015fik. Biz m\u0259\u011flubiyy\u0259t\u0259 v\u0259 onunla bar\u0131\u015fma\u011fa al\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015f\u0131q. \u0130ndi n\u0259 deyirl\u0259rs\u0259 desinl\u0259r, biz tarix\u0259n m\u0259\u011flubiyy\u0259t\u0259 \u00f6yr\u0259\u015fmi\u015fik, \u0259v\u0259zind\u0259 q\u0259l\u0259b\u0259y\u0259 al\u0131\u015fmam\u0131\u015f\u0131q. Biz h\u0259tta \u00f6z q\u0259l\u0259b\u0259mizi m\u0259\u011flubiyy\u0259t\u0259 \u00e7evirdik. Biz x\u0259yallar\u0131n v\u0259 m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmayan\u0131n ard\u0131nca qa\u00e7d\u0131q v\u0259 m\u00fcmk\u00fcn ola bil\u0259ni itirdik.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Yeddi rayonun qaytar\u0131lmas\u0131ndan imtina etm\u0259yi hans\u0131sa an erm\u0259ni c\u0259miyy\u0259tinin onlar\u0131 i\u015f\u011fal olunmu\u015f deyil, azad edilmi\u015f adland\u0131rmas\u0131 il\u0259 \u0259laq\u0259l\u0259ndirirl\u0259r. Bu, nec\u0259 ba\u015f verdi?\n<\/p>\n
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\n Bu yeddi rayonla ba\u011fl\u0131 bax\u0131\u015flar\u0131m\u0131z zamanla d\u0259yi\u015fdi. Biz h\u0259min rayonlar\u0131 ona g\u00f6r\u0259 tutduq ki, ordan bizim evl\u0259ri \u2013 Stepanakerti (Xank\u0259ndi), h\u0259tta Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc bombalay\u0131rd\u0131lar. Biz onlar\u0131 m\u00fcdafi\u0259 m\u0259qs\u0259di il\u0259 tutduq v\u0259 dedik ki, t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259sizlik z\u0259man\u0259 veril\u0259n kimi, h\u0259min rayonlar\u0131 qaytaraca\u011f\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n
\n 1992-ci ild\u0131 biz La\u00e7\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u0259nd\u0259, D\u00f6vl\u0259t M\u00fcdafi\u0259 Komit\u0259sinin s\u0259dri olan Robert K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryan b\u0259yanat verdi. H\u0259min b\u0259yanatda o, t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259sizlik z\u0259man\u0259ti alan kimi La\u00e7\u0131n\u0131 qaytaraca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6z vermi\u015fdi. O, m\u0259nd\u0259n bu b\u0259yanat\u0131n m\u0259tnini yazma\u011f\u0131 xahi\u015f etdi. Bu haqda az adam bilir, b\u0259lk\u0259 he\u00e7 \u00f6z\u00fc d\u0259 (K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryan) xat\u0131rlam\u0131r. Bir \u00e7ox d\u00f6vl\u0259t xadimi yadda\u015f\u0131n\u0131 el\u0259 k\u00f6kl\u0259yib ki, o \u00e7ox q\u0131sa olsun v\u0259 onlar\u0131 \u0259m\u0259ll\u0259rin\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259 m\u0259suliyy\u0259t\u0259 \u00e7\u0259km\u0259sinl\u0259r. Odur ki, biz ba\u015flan\u011f\u0131cda bu rayonlar\u0131 m\u00fcdafi\u0259 m\u0259qs\u0259di il\u0259 ald\u0131q v\u0259 onlar\u0131 t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259sizlik z\u0259man\u0259ti qar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131nda d\u0259yi\u015fm\u0259y\u0259 haz\u0131r idik.\n<\/p>\n
\n Sonra bu rayonlar dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar predmetin\u0259 \u00e7evrildi. Daha sonra is\u0259 bu c\u00fcml\u0259 bel\u0259 s\u0259sl\u0259ndi: biz onlar\u0131 qaytara bilm\u0259rik, \u00e7\u00fcnki h\u0259min rayonlar erm\u0259nil\u0259rindir. Onlar erm\u0259nil\u0259rin olmasa bel\u0259 (m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259nin \u0259vv\u0259lind\u0259), bu, tarix\u0259n erm\u0259ni torpaqlar\u0131d\u0131r v\u0259 biz he\u00e7 bir \u015f\u0259raitd\u0259 onlar\u0131 qaytarmamal\u0131y\u0131q. Bu bax\u0131\u015f\u0131n formala\u015fmas\u0131nda m\u00fch\u00fcm rolu Ba\u015f nazir v\u0259 M\u00fcdafi\u0259 naziri (1999-cu il\u0259d\u0259k) Vazgen Sarkisyan oynay\u0131b. O, rayonlar\u0131 qaytarmaq laz\u0131m olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 deyirdi. Sarkisyan\u0131n bel\u0259 bir m\u0259ntiqi vard\u0131: \u0259sg\u0259rl\u0259rimizin qan\u0131 bahas\u0131na g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fclm\u00fc\u015f torpaqlar geri qaytar\u0131la bilm\u0259z.\n<\/p>\n
\n Siz\u0259 bir hadis\u0259 haqq\u0131nda dan\u0131\u015fmaq ist\u0259yir\u0259m. Vazgen 1999-cu ild\u0259 sui-q\u0259sd n\u0259tic\u0259sind\u0259 \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclm\u0259mi\u015fd\u0259n \u00fc\u00e7 h\u0259ft\u0259 \u0259vv\u0259l onunla dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015fam. M\u0259n ondan bu bax\u0131\u015f haqda n\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcy\u00fcn\u00fc soru\u015fdum. Bel\u0259 bir fikrin m\u00f6vcud oldu\u011funu v\u0259 onun bu fikr\u0259 nec\u0259 m\u00fcnasib\u0259t b\u0259sl\u0259diyini soru\u015fdum.\n<\/p>\n
\n O, h\u0259min vaxt art\u0131q bir m\u00fcdd\u0259tdir ki, nazir idi v\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlarda i\u015ftirak etmi\u015fdi. M\u0259n\u0259 el\u0259 g\u0259lirdi ki, K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryan\u0131n Ter-Petrosyana qar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131xd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u0259st\u0259kl\u0259m\u0259kl\u0259 yanl\u0131\u015fl\u0131\u011fa yol verdiyini d\u0259rk edirdi.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bel\u0259c\u0259, ondan bu m\u0259ntiq (\u0259sg\u0259rl\u0259rin qan\u0131 bahas\u0131na) bar\u0259d\u0259 n\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcy\u00fcn\u00fc soru\u015fanda bel\u0259 cavab verdi: \u201cBunu kim deyib?\u201d M\u0259n cavab verdim: \u201cSiz demisiniz\u201d.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Yeddi rayonun bax\u0131\u015fn\u0131n t\u0259kam\u00fcl\u00fcn\u0259 qay\u0131dark\u0259n…\n<\/p>\n
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\n Yeddi rayonu qaytarma\u011fa haz\u0131rla\u015fmad\u0131\u011f\u0131mza q\u0259rar ver\u0259nd\u0259, bu, bizi erm\u0259nil\u0259rin Qaraba\u011fda azad, t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259siz ya\u015famaq v\u0259 onlar\u0131n m\u00fcq\u0259dd\u0259ratlar\u0131n\u0131 t\u0259yin etm\u0259 haqlar\u0131 u\u011frunda m\u00fcbariz\u0259 aparlanlar\u0131n yerin\u0259 \u0259razi ekpansiyas\u0131 t\u0259r\u0259fdarlar\u0131na \u00e7evirdi. Biz bunun yerin\u0259 h\u0259min \u0259razil\u0259rin tarix\u0259n erm\u0259ni torpaqlar\u0131 oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u0259m\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flad\u0131q. V\u0259 bu, bizim xeyrimiz\u0259 olmad\u0131. T\u00fcrkiy\u0259nin X\u0130N-d\u0259 v\u0259 siyasi elitas\u0131nda \u00e7oxu Qaraba\u011f\u0131n orda ya\u015fayan erm\u0259nil\u0259rin \u00f6z m\u00fcq\u0259dd\u0259ratlar\u0131n\u0131 t\u0259yin etm\u0259k v\u0259 t\u0259hl\u00fck\u0259sizliyi deyil, B\u00f6y\u00fck Erm\u0259nistan x\u00fclyas\u0131 oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnm\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flad\u0131.\n<\/p>\n
\n M\u0259n T\u00fcrkiy\u0259 il\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar aparm\u0131\u015fam, 1992-1997-ci ill\u0259rd\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131n \u0259sas i\u015ftirak\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131ndan olmu\u015fam. M\u0259n t\u00fcrk diplomatlar\u0131n\u0131n bax\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6yr\u0259nmi\u015f\u0259m, onlar\u0131n \u00e7oxu bu bax\u0131\u015f\u0131 payla\u015f\u0131b. Ham\u0131s\u0131 olmasa da, \u00e7oxu. M\u0259n onlar\u0131n bizim Qaraba\u011fla ba\u011fl\u0131 s\u00f6zl\u0259rimizi v\u0259 \u0259m\u0259ll\u0259rimizi nec\u0259 q\u0259bul etdiyini n\u0259z\u0259r\u0259d\u0259 tuturam. V\u0259 onlar d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrd\u00fcl\u0259r ki, \u0259g\u0259r bu ekspansiyad\u0131rsa, n\u00f6vb\u0259ti Q\u0259rbi Erm\u0259nistan olacaq. Bizd\u0259, \u015f\u00fcbh\u0259siz ki, bel\u0259 bir h\u0259rbi g\u00fcc yox idi, amma bu onlar \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn irrassional qorxu idi.\n<\/p>\n
\n Biz h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 \u00f6z-\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcz\u0259 dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015f\u0131q. V\u0259 \u0259g\u0259r bizim dan\u0131\u015fd\u0131qlar\u0131m\u0131z v\u0259t\u0259np\u0259rv\u0259rl\u0259rin dilind\u0259n s\u00f6yl\u0259nirs\u0259 v\u0259 v\u0259t\u0259np\u0259rv\u0259r s\u0259sl\u0259nirs\u0259, dem\u0259li, biz haql\u0131y\u0131q. \u018fn pisi, biz \u00f6z-\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fczl\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar aparm\u0131\u015f\u0131q. Biz Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n n\u0259 ver\u0259 bil\u0259c\u0259yini v\u0259 ya n\u0259 ver\u0259 bilm\u0259y\u0259c\u0259yini anlama\u011fa v\u0259 \u00f6yr\u0259nm\u0259y\u0259 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmad\u0131q. Biz sad\u0259c\u0259 q\u0259rara ald\u0131q ki, Az\u0259rbaycan biz\u0259 \u0259h\u0259miyy\u0259tli he\u00e7 n\u0259 ver\u0259 bilm\u0259z.\n<\/p>\n
\n Dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar olduqca a\u011fr\u0131l\u0131 g\u00fcnd\u0259lik i\u015fdir. Lap ki\u00e7ik \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259rin, x\u00fcsusil\u0259 d\u0259 bizim kimi \u00f6lk\u0259l\u0259rin m\u00fcst\u0259qilliyi kimi. Bu, g\u00fcnd\u0259lik i\u015fdir. M\u00fcst\u0259qilliyin elan olunmas\u0131 sad\u0259c\u0259 onun, daha do\u011frusu, sizin probleml\u0259rinizin ba\u015flan\u011f\u0131c\u0131d\u0131r. Bu son deyil, ba\u015flan\u011f\u0131cd\u0131r. Onu \u0259traf\u0131m\u0131zda d\u00fcnyan\u0131n nec\u0259 d\u0259yi\u015fm\u0259si \u0259sas\u0131nda g\u00fcnd\u0259lik qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndirm\u0259k v\u0259 qorumaq laz\u0131md\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Sizin bu m\u00f6vzu il\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n yeni hakimiyy\u0259tin\u0259 m\u00fcraci\u0259t etdiyinizi ehtimal edir\u0259m.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Bir d\u0259f\u0259 Pa\u015finyan\u0131n kabinetinin y\u00fcks\u0259k v\u0259zif\u0259li n\u00fcmay\u0259nd\u0259si il\u0259 s\u00f6hb\u0259t ed\u0259rk\u0259n ondan soru\u015fdum:\n<\/p>\n
\n \u201cSiz Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259sinin \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclm\u0259si il\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 hans\u0131 h\u0259ll yolunu t\u0259klif edirsiniz?\u201d Cavab bel\u0259 oldu: \u201cBurda h\u0259ll olunmal\u0131 he\u00e7 n\u0259 yoxdur\u201d. H\u0259min vaxt art\u0131q dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar getmirdi v\u0259 he\u00e7 bir \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutulmurdu.\n<\/p>\n
\n M\u0259n ondan soru\u015fdum: niy\u0259 bel\u0259 q\u0259rara g\u0259ldiniz? Siz \u018fliyevl\u0259 bir masa arxas\u0131nda oturub, b\u00fct\u00fcn m\u00fcmk\u00fcn variantlar\u0131 m\u00fczakir\u0259 etmisiniz? Siz bunu etm\u0259diniz. M\u0259n hans\u0131sa m\u0259nada bunu etmi\u015f\u0259m v\u0259 m\u00fcmk\u00fcn variantlar\u0131 g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f\u0259m, amma bunu el\u0259 bir \u00f6n\u0259mi yoxdur. Sizin \u00f6hd\u0259liyiniz h\u0259llin yoxlu\u011funu v\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycanla m\u00fczakir\u0259 edilm\u0259li bir \u015feyin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 b\u0259yan etm\u0259zd\u0259n \u0259vv\u0259l m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olan h\u0259r \u015fey\u0259 \u0259l atmaqd\u0131r. Bu, sad\u0259c\u0259 d\u00f6vl\u0259t d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259sinin yoxlu\u011fu deyil. Bu, \u00f6z-\u00f6z\u00fcnl\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131q aparmaqd\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Jurnalistl\u0259r Pa\u015finyandan onun s\u0259rt \u00e7\u0131x\u0131l\u015far\u0131 haqda soru\u015fanda, Ba\u015f nazir Az\u0259rbaycan v\u0259 T\u00fcrkiy\u0259 liderl\u0259rinin \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131n he\u00e7 d\u0259 az s\u0259rt olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 vur\u011fulay\u0131r.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Az\u0259rbaycan v\u0259 T\u00fcrkiy\u0259nin m\u00f6vqeyini b\u0259y\u0259nm\u0259diyimi m\u00fctl\u0259q qeyd etm\u0259liy\u0259m. Amma m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 m\u0259nim n\u0259yi b\u0259y\u0259nib-b\u0259y\u0259nm\u0259diyimd\u0259 deyil. \u0130yirmi il \u0259vv\u0259l burda, Bostonda m\u0259n \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f etdim v\u0259 s\u00f6yl\u0259dim ki, \u0259g\u0259r biz kompromis\u0259 getm\u0259s\u0259k, bu, f\u0259lak\u0259t\u0259 g\u0259tirib \u00e7\u0131xaracaq. M\u0259n \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f\u0131m\u0131 bitir\u0259nd\u0259 v\u0259 dinl\u0259yicil\u0259r sual verm\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flayanda bir c\u0259nab aya\u011fa qalx\u0131b dedi: \u201cC\u0259nab, bu el\u0259 m\u00fch\u00fcmd\u00fcr v\u0259 eyni zamanda el\u0259 \u0259zab verir ki\u201d. M\u0259n cavab verdim: \u201cM\u0259g\u0259r m\u0259n \u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fc artist kimi q\u0259l\u0259m\u0259 verdim? \u018fyl\u0259nc\u0259 ist\u0259yirsinizs\u0259, ev\u0259 gedin v\u0259 televizora bax\u0131n. M\u0259nim m\u00fchazir\u0259l\u0259rim\u0259 g\u0259lm\u0259yin. M\u0259nim i\u015fim sizi \u0259yl\u0259ndirm\u0259k v\u0259 nikbinlik t\u0259lqin etm\u0259k deyil. M\u0259nd\u0259 sizin \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn yax\u015f\u0131 x\u0259b\u0259r yoxdur\u201d.\n<\/p>\n
\n Biz xalqa yanl\u0131\u015f m\u0259lumat, s\u0259hv analiz verir v\u0259 qeyri-real ssenaril\u0259ri m\u00fcmk\u00fcn \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm kimi t\u0259klif edirik. Biz onlar\u0131 d\u00f6vl\u0259t\u00e7ilik yerin\u0259 mill\u0259t\u00e7iliy\u0259 s\u00fcr\u00fckl\u0259yirik. Sonra is\u0259 deyirik: s\u00fclh q\u0259bul olunmayacaq. B\u0259s buna g\u00f6r\u0259 kim m\u0259suliyy\u0259t da\u015f\u0131y\u0131r?\n<\/p>\n
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\n Erm\u0259ni diplomatlar\u0131 \u018fliyevi v\u0259 onun erm\u0259nil\u0259rin g\u0259lm\u0259 xalq, Yeravan\u0131nsa Az\u0259rbaycan\u0131n \u015f\u0259h\u0259ri olmas\u0131 haqda b\u0259yanatlar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259r\u0259c\u0259k. Az\u0259rbaycansa \u00f6z n\u00f6vb\u0259sind\u0259 Pa\u015finyan\u0131n Qaraba\u011f\u0131n Erm\u0259nistan\u0131n torpa\u011f\u0131 olmas\u0131 v\u0259 buna n\u00f6qt\u0259 qoyulmas\u0131 bar\u0259d\u0259 b\u0259yanat\u0131n\u0131 dey\u0259c\u0259k.\n<\/p>\n
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\n \u0130lham \u018fliyev prezident olandan d\u0259rhal sonra onunla ciddi s\u00f6hb\u0259timiz ba\u015f tutdu. M\u0259n art\u0131q hakimiyy\u0259td\u0259 deyildim v\u0259 universitetd\u0259 d\u0259rs deyirdim. Bundan \u0259vv\u0259l \u0130lham \u018fliyevi yaln\u0131z birc\u0259 d\u0259f\u0259 g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015fd\u00fcm, o, Harvard universitetind\u0259 \u00e7\u0131x\u0131\u015f ed\u0259nd\u0259. H\u0259min vaxt haqq\u0131nda o q\u0259d\u0259r d\u0259 y\u00fcks\u0259k fikird\u0259 olmam\u0131\u015fd\u0131m \u2013 m\u0259n\u0259 s\u0259thi g\u00f6r\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015fd\u00fc v\u0259 o q\u0259d\u0259r d\u0259 a\u011f\u0131ll\u0131 adam t\u0259siri ba\u011f\u0131\u015flamam\u0131\u015fd\u0131. \u00c7\u0131x\u0131\u015f\u0131 ciddi diskussiyadan daha \u00e7ox Az\u0259rbaycan \u00fczr\u0259 turist soraq kitab\u00e7as\u0131n\u0131 xat\u0131rlad\u0131rd\u0131. Lakin sonra m\u0259ni Bak\u0131ya d\u0259v\u0259t etdi v\u0259 biz \u00fc\u00e7 saatdan art\u0131q dan\u0131\u015fd\u0131q. O, \u0259n x\u0131rda detallar\u0131 bilirdi v\u0259 m\u0259n\u0259 d\u00fczg\u00fcn suallar verirdi. \u00d6z\u00fc d\u0259 d\u00fcr\u00fcst cavab verirdi. V\u0259 bu d\u0259f\u0259 m\u0259n\u0259 \u00e7ox a\u011f\u0131ll\u0131 adam t\u0259siri ba\u011f\u0131\u015flad\u0131. Biz t\u0259kb\u0259t\u0259k, t\u0259rc\u00fcm\u0259\u00e7i olmadan, ingilis dilind\u0259 dan\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Haz\u0131rda burda dan\u0131\u015fd\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131za g\u00f6r\u0259 sizi \u201cmill\u0259t xaini\u201d adland\u0131racaqlar. Bu, sizi kar\u0131xd\u0131rm\u0131r ki?\n<\/p>\n
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\n Bunu m\u0259suliyy\u0259tsiz adamlar dedikd\u0259 \u2013 bu \u015f\u0259r\u0259fdir… Bu, m\u0259ni narahat etmir.\n<\/p>\n
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\n Yeri g\u0259lmi\u015fk\u0259n, m\u0259suliyy\u0259t haqq\u0131nda. Siz mentalitetin probleml\u0259rind\u0259n dan\u0131\u015fanda, bu sanki m\u0259suliyy\u0259ti Pa\u015finyan\u0131n \u00fcz\u0259rind\u0259n g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr. Lakin son iki il alt\u0131 ay \u0259rzind\u0259 Erm\u0259nistana m\u0259hz o r\u0259hb\u0259rlik edib.\n<\/p>\n
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\n M\u0259suliyy\u0259t zamana b\u00f6l\u00fcn\u00fcb. Pa\u015finyan\u0131n m\u0259suliyy\u0259ti daha \u00e7oxdur, \u00e7\u00fcnki o art\u0131q m\u00f6vcud olan d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259 obraz\u0131n\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7-d\u00f6rd t\u0259rifd\u0259 birl\u0259\u015fdirib: Az\u0259rbaycan biz\u0259 m\u0259qbul he\u00e7 n\u0259 ver\u0259 bilm\u0259z, Qaraba\u011f\u0131n statusunu m\u00fcharib\u0259 h\u0259ll ed\u0259 bil\u0259r, dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar aparmaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn he\u00e7 bir m\u00f6vzu yoxdur, demokratiya is\u0259 biz\u0259 Q\u0259rbin d\u0259st\u0259yini g\u0259tir\u0259c\u0259k.\n<\/p>\n
\n Amma \u0259g\u0259r bu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259 t\u0259rzi Pa\u015finyandan \u0259vv\u0259l m\u00f6vcud olmasayd\u0131, o, bunu davam etdirm\u0259zdi. \u015e\u00fcbh\u0259siz ki, o, bir s\u0131ra yanl\u0131\u015f q\u0259rarlara g\u00f6r\u0259 m\u0259suliyy\u0259t da\u015f\u0131y\u0131r. Xatirinizd\u0259dirs\u0259, m\u00fcxalif\u0259t lap \u0259vv\u0259ld\u0259n onu iki \u015feyd\u0259 \u2013 Rusiya \u0259leyhin\u0259 bax\u0131\u015flarda v\u0259 Qaraba\u011f\u0131 verm\u0259k planlar\u0131nda g\u00fcn\u00fchland\u0131r\u0131b. O, torpaqlar\u0131 verm\u0259y\u0259 haz\u0131rla\u015fmad\u0131\u011f\u0131na inand\u0131rma\u011fa \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131bm\u0131? O, Qaraba\u011fda q\u0259bul olunmas\u0131n\u0131 ist\u0259yibmi? M\u0259n bilmir\u0259m. Lakin o, s\u0259rt b\u0259yanatlar etm\u0259yib.\n<\/p>\n
\n Ba\u015fqa \u015feyl\u0259r d\u0259 var. Onlardan biri D\u00fc\u015f\u0259nb\u0259d\u0259 \u018fliyevl\u0259 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f zaman\u0131 ba\u015f ver\u0259n hadis\u0259dir. \u0130lk bax\u0131\u015fda el\u0259 g\u0259lirdi ki, sanki at\u0259\u015fk\u0259s rejimin\u0259, n\u0259hay\u0259t, riay\u0259t olunur. M\u00fcdafi\u0259 nazirlikl\u0259ri aras\u0131nda birba\u015fa \u0259laq\u0259 x\u0259tti quruldu. Bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f \u018fliyevin Pa\u015finyan\u0131 nec\u0259 q\u0259bul etm\u0259si n\u00f6qteyi-n\u0259z\u0259rind\u0259n \u00e7ox \u0259h\u0259miyy\u0259tlidir. O, K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryana etibar etmirdi, atas\u0131 ona K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryana etibar etm\u0259m\u0259sini v\u0259siyy\u0259t etmi\u015fdi. Pa\u015finyanla ba\u011fl\u0131 is\u0259 \u00fcmidl\u0259ri vard\u0131 \u2013 bu \u00fcmidl\u0259rin do\u011frulub-do\u011frulmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bilmir\u0259m.\n<\/p>\n
\n Odur ki, Pa\u015finyan ondan at\u0259\u015fk\u0259s\u0259 riay\u0259t etm\u0259sini xahi\u015f ed\u0259nd\u0259 raz\u0131la\u015fd\u0131. M\u0259n onlar\u0131n s\u00f6hb\u0259tl\u0259rinin detallar\u0131n\u0131 bilmir\u0259m, lakin m\u0259n bunun hardasa m\u00fcbadil\u0259 oldu\u011funu bilir\u0259m. Y\u0259qin ki \u018fliyev \u201cYax\u015f\u0131, biz bunu ed\u0259rik, lakin m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259nin m\u0259\u011fzini m\u00fczakir\u0259 etm\u0259k laz\u0131md\u0131r\u201d kimi bir \u015fey s\u00f6yl\u0259yib. Pa\u015finyan da y\u0259qin buna b\u0259nz\u0259r bir \u015fey deyib: \u201cYax\u015f\u0131, lakin m\u0259n\u0259 vaxt verin\u201d.\n<\/p>\n
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\n BBC:
\n <\/b>
\n Pa\u015finyan tamamil\u0259 ba\u015fqa \u015fey deyir. Dediyin\u0259 g\u00f6r\u0259, \u018fliyev ondan Az\u0259rbaycanda demokratiyan\u0131n yoxlu\u011fu haqda dan\u0131\u015fmamas\u0131n\u0131 xahi\u015f edib.\n<\/p>\n
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\n J.L.:
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\n M\u0259n Az\u0259rbaycandan \u00e7ox m\u00f6t\u0259b\u0259r m\u0259nb\u0259d\u0259n bu s\u00f6hb\u0259tin m\u00f6vzusu haqda bilir\u0259m. Bel\u0259 bir s\u00f6hb\u0259t olub. V\u0259 sonra n\u0259 ba\u015f verdi? Pa\u015finyan Arsax\u0131n (Qaraba\u011f\u0131 bel\u0259 adland\u0131r\u0131r) Erm\u0259nistan oldu\u011funu dem\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flad\u0131. O, Qaraba\u011f\u0131n dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar masas\u0131n\u0131n arxas\u0131na qay\u0131tmas\u0131n\u0131 israr etm\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flad\u0131 \u2013 bu yer h\u0259l\u0259 K\u00f6\u00e7\u0259ryan\u0131n vaxt\u0131nda itirilmi\u015fdi.\n<\/p>\n
\n \u018fg\u0259r el\u0259-hey opponentin \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn m\u0259qbul olmayan \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259r qoyma\u011fa ba\u015flay\u0131rsansa, bu o dem\u0259kdir ki, s\u0259n dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar ideyas\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc sabotaj edirs\u0259n. Daha sonra o \u00fc\u00e7 h\u00f6kum\u0259t \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn deyil, \u00fc\u00e7 xalq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn m\u0259qbul olan h\u0259ll yolu haqda dan\u0131\u015fma\u011fa ba\u015flad\u0131.\n<\/p>\n
\n \u018fliyev d\u0259 aldand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 q\u0259rara ald\u0131. Pa\u015finyan\u0131n m\u0259\u011fz\u0259 uy\u011fun dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar aparaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 v\u0259d etdiyini, \u0259v\u0259zind\u0259 \u00f6lk\u0259 daxilind\u0259ki m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259l\u0259ri \u00e7\u00f6zm\u0259k \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn vaxt udmaqla onun aldatd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc. Mnasaanyan (Erm\u0259nistan X\u0130N-in r\u0259hb\u0259ri) M\u0259mm\u0259dyarovla (Az\u0259rbaycan X\u0130N-in r\u0259hb\u0259ri) bir \u015fey m\u00fczakir\u0259 etdiyi halda Pa\u015finyan ba\u015fqa \u015fey dan\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131. Bu etibars\u0131zl\u0131q \u018fliyevin dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131n faydas\u0131z oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnm\u0259sind\u0259 b\u00f6y\u00fck rol oynad\u0131.\n<\/p>\n
\n M\u0259n \u018fliyevin he\u00e7 d\u0259 h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fcn \u00fcst\u00fcnd\u0259 durdu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u0259m\u0259k ist\u0259mir\u0259m. \u00d6t\u0259nl\u0259rd\u0259 o, 2011-ci ild\u0259 Kazanda raz\u0131la\u015fd\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f nizamlama plan\u0131ndan imtina edib. Heyd\u0259r \u018fliyev d\u0259 eyni \u015fey edib \u2013 raz\u0131la\u015f\u0131b, sonra is\u0259 daha yax\u015f\u0131 \u015f\u0259rtl\u0259r\u0259 nail ola bil\u0259c\u0259yini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcb. Bu, h\u0259min dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131n problemidir \u2013 t\u0259r\u0259fl\u0259rin minimumu (\u015f\u0259rtl\u0259ri) yoxdur. N\u0259 Pa\u015finyan\u0131n, n\u0259 d\u0259 \u018fliyevin minimumu olmay\u0131b. El\u0259 Qaraba\u011f r\u0259hb\u0259rlyinin d\u0259 minimumu olmay\u0131b.\n<\/p>\n
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\n BBC:
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\n Siz hans\u0131 Qaraba\u011f liderind\u0259n dan\u0131\u015f\u0131rs\u0131n\u0131z?\n<\/p>\n
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\n J.L.:
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\n Zaman\u0131nda \u0259sas\u0259n Arkadi (Qukasyanla) dan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015fam. O, qondarma Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011f Respublikas\u0131n\u0131n \u0259vv\u0259lc\u0259 Xarici i\u015fl\u0259r naziri, sonra prezidenti olub. Lakin istefadan sonra Qaraba\u011fdak\u0131 v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259n x\u0259b\u0259rdar olan bir \u00e7ox dig\u0259r qaraba\u011fl\u0131 il\u0259 \u00fcnsiyy\u0259t qurmu\u015fam. Onlar\u0131n d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnc\u0259 t\u0259rzi bel\u0259 olub: bizim ist\u0259diyimizd\u0259n az ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z ist\u0259nil\u0259n variant h\u0259dd\u0259n art\u0131q risklidir. V\u0259 \u0259g\u0259r m\u00fcharib\u0259 olacaqsa, dem\u0259li, m\u00fcharib\u0259 olacaq. M\u0259n cavab verirdim: dostum, lakin m\u00fcharib\u0259nin sonu b\u0259lli deyil, m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 uzand\u0131qca is\u0259 daha da xeyrimiz\u0259 olmayacaq. Onlarsa deyirdil\u0259r: biz d\u00f6y\u00fc\u015f\u0259c\u0259yik, ist\u0259m\u0259diyimiz bir \u015feyl\u0259 raz\u0131la\u015fmaqdansa, \u00f6lm\u0259y\u0259 \u00fcst\u00fcnl\u00fck veririk.\n<\/p>\n
\n Bir \u00e7oxu bel\u0259 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrd\u00fc. \u00c7oxu m\u00fcharib\u0259nin \u0259yl\u0259nc\u0259 oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrd\u00fc. M\u00fcharib\u0259 \u0259yl\u0259nc\u0259dir. M\u00fcharib\u0259 q\u0259hr\u0259manlar yarad\u0131r. M\u00fcharib\u0259 bizim v\u0259t\u0259np\u0259rv\u0259rliyimizi v\u0259 \u015f\u00fcca\u0259timizi s\u00fcbut etm\u0259k \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn laz\u0131md\u0131r. M\u00fcharib\u0259 qurband\u0131r. S\u00f6zs\u00fcz ki, \u0259g\u0259r siz qon\u015funun o\u011flunu deyil, \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fcz\u00fc qurban verirsinizs\u0259.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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