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\n 1945-ci ild\u0259 \u0130kinci D\u00fcnya M\u00fcharib\u0259si ba\u015fa \u00e7atanda Ukrayna v\u0259 rus xalqlar\u0131n\u0131n a\u011f\u0131llar\u0131na g\u0259lm\u0259zdi ki, 70 il sonra qalib g\u0259ldikl\u0259ri Almaniya Ukrayna v\u0259 Rusiya aras\u0131nda s\u00fclh yaranmas\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn vasit\u0259\u00e7ilik ed\u0259c\u0259k. Fevral\u0131n 12-d\u0259 Belarus paytaxt\u0131 Minskid\u0259 “Normand d\u00f6rdl\u00fcy\u00fc” aras\u0131ndak\u0131 15 saatl\u0131q dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar ba\u015fa \u00e7atd\u0131. Politoloq \u0130lqar V\u0259lizad\u0259 il\u0259 s\u00f6hb\u0259timizd\u0259 Minsk dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131n n\u0259tic\u0259si bar\u0259d\u0259 yaranan suallar\u0131 cavabland\u0131rma\u011fa \u00e7al\u0131\u015fd\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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\n – \u0130lqar b\u0259y, tarixd\u0259n ba\u015flayaq, 70 il \u0259vv\u0259l rus v\u0259 Ukrayna xalqlar\u0131 indiki v\u0259ziyy\u0259ti t\u0259s\u0259vv\u00fcr ed\u0259 bilm\u0259zdi. Bu bax\u0131mdan regionda n\u0259 ba\u015f verir?
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\n – N\u0259inki 70 il, he\u00e7 3-5 il \u0259vv\u0259l d\u0259 indiki durum haqq\u0131nda he\u00e7 k\u0259s dan\u0131\u015fa bilm\u0259zdi v\u0259 t\u0259s\u0259vv\u00fcr etm\u0259k d\u0259 \u00e7ox \u00e7\u0259tin idi. Amma n\u0259 etm\u0259k olar, v\u0259ziyy\u0259tin bu c\u00fcr inki\u015faf\u0131n\u0131n \u0259sas\u0131 d\u00fcnyada v\u0259 b\u00f6lg\u0259d\u0259k\u0131 prosesl\u0259rdir. Ukrayna b\u00f6hran\u0131 Avrasiya m\u0259kan\u0131nda ba\u015f ver\u0259n prosesl\u0259rin n\u0259tic\u0259sidir v\u0259 indiki durum d\u00fcn\u0259n ba\u015flanmay\u0131b, kifay\u0259t q\u0259d\u0259r uzun m\u00fcdd\u0259tdir davam edir. Lakin 2013-c\u00fc ild\u0259 prosesl\u0259r pik n\u00f6qt\u0259sin\u0259 \u00e7at\u0131b. Son 5-6 ild\u0259 Rusiya t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n MDB m\u0259kan\u0131nda inteqrasion add\u0131mlar at\u0131l\u0131r. M\u0259n Avrasiya \u0130ttifaq\u0131, G\u00f6mr\u00fck Sazi\u015find\u0259n dan\u0131\u015f\u0131ram. Bunlar\u0131 Q\u0259rbd\u0259ki prosesl\u0259rin \u0259ksi kimi qiym\u0259tl\u0259ndir\u0259nl\u0259r var, y\u0259ni Avropa Qon\u015fuluq siyas\u0259ti, \u015e\u0259rq T\u0259r\u0259fda\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131 Proqram\u0131 \u00e7\u0259r\u00e7iv\u0259sind\u0259 bu d\u00f6vl\u0259tl\u0259rin Q\u0259rb\u0259 inteqrasiyas\u0131 kimi. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 ondad\u0131r ki, h\u0259min d\u00f6vl\u0259tl\u0259r\u0259 Rusiya da, Avropa da iddia edirdi. Dem\u0259li, n\u0259 vaxtsa prosesl\u0259rd\u0259 toqqu\u015fma olacaqd\u0131 v\u0259 bu, Ukraynan\u0131n timsal\u0131nda \u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc b\u00fcruz\u0259 verdi. Art\u0131q m\u00fcharib\u0259 ba\u015flay\u0131b.\n<\/p>\n

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\n – Fevral\u0131n 12-d\u0259 Minskid\u0259 imzalanan s\u0259n\u0259dd\u0259 Ukraynada bu il konstitusiya islahat\u0131n\u0131n ke\u00e7irilm\u0259si, hakimiyy\u0259tin qeyri-m\u0259rk\u0259zl\u0259\u015fdirilm\u0259sinin t\u0259sbit olunmas\u0131, Donbasa x\u00fcsusu status verilm\u0259si, xalq milisinin yarad\u0131lmas\u0131, dil h\u00fcququ, h\u0259rbi \u0259m\u0259liyyatlarda i\u015ftirak ed\u0259nl\u0259r\u0259 amnistiya elan olunmas\u0131 v\u0259 ba\u015fqa m\u0259qamlar yer al\u0131b. Sizc\u0259, raz\u0131la\u015fma 1994-c\u00fc ild\u0259 Erm\u0259nistan v\u0259 Az\u0259rbaycan aras\u0131nda imzalanan at\u0259\u015fk\u0259s sazi\u015fini xat\u0131rlatm\u0131rm\u0131 v\u0259 bu proses d\u0259 20 il davam ed\u0259c\u0259kmi?
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\n – H\u0259m h\u0259, h\u0259m d\u0259 yox. D\u00fczd\u00fcr, ox\u015farl\u0131qlar \u00e7oxdur. Y\u0259ni separat\u00e7\u0131lar t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n b\u00f6lg\u0259y\u0259 n\u0259zar\u0259t sxemi Ukrayna prosesl\u0259rind\u0259 d\u0259 t\u0259krarlan\u0131r. Ancaq Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259sind\u0259 v\u0259 onun postsava\u015f d\u00f6vr\u00fcnd\u0259 regionda maraql\u0131 olan d\u00f6vl\u0259tl\u0259rin ham\u0131s\u0131 m\u00fcxt\u0259lif formada i\u015ftirak edirdi. “Normand d\u00f6rdl\u00fcy\u00fc”nd\u0259 is\u0259 prosesin apar\u0131c\u0131 q\u00fcvv\u0259l\u0259rind\u0259n biri AB\u015e yoxdur.\n<\/p>\n

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\n – B\u0259li, AB\u015e yoxdur, ancaq prosesl\u0259r\u0259 t\u0259sir imkanlar\u0131n\u0131 saxlay\u0131r, birba\u015fa Ukrayna prezidenti il\u0259 \u0259laq\u0259 saxlay\u0131rlar, h\u0259tta Almaniya kansleri Merkel Va\u015finqtonda AB\u015e prezidenti Obama il\u0259 bu y\u00f6nd\u0259 m\u00fczakir\u0259l\u0259r apar\u0131r. \u0130kinci \u0259sas m\u0259qam, separat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131 d\u0259st\u0259kl\u0259y\u0259n Putin t\u0259r\u0259f kimi tan\u0131n\u0131r…
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\n – B\u00fct\u00fcn hallarda Amerika yoxdur, bu, o dem\u0259kdir ki, prosesl\u0259r\u0259 t\u0259sir ed\u0259n g\u00fcc h\u00fcquqi \u00e7\u0259r\u00e7iv\u0259d\u0259n k\u0259narda qal\u0131b. Bu, geopolitik riskl\u0259rin he\u00e7 d\u0259 azalmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n g\u00f6st\u0259ricisidir, h\u0259tta art\u0131b. Amerikan\u0131n m\u00fcdaxil\u0259 etm\u0259k imkanlar\u0131 var v\u0259 \u0259ll\u0259ri d\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 deyil.\n<\/p>\n

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\n – O zaman fevral\u0131n 15-d\u0259n ba\u015flayaraq at\u0259\u015fk\u0259s\u0259 \u0259m\u0259l olunacaqm\u0131?
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\n – He\u00e7 kim proqnoz ver\u0259 bilm\u0259z. Amma m\u00fcv\u0259qq\u0259ti at\u0259\u015fk\u0259s\u0259 b\u00fct\u00fcn q\u00fcvv\u0259l\u0259r maraql\u0131d\u0131r. M\u0259n AB\u015e-\u0131 istisna etm\u0259kl\u0259, qalanlar\u0131n\u0131n m\u00fcv\u0259qq\u0259ti at\u0259\u015fk\u0259si ist\u0259dikl\u0259rini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u0259m, h\u0259tta Rusiya da ist\u0259yir.\n<\/p>\n

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\n Bel\u0259 olanda, Kreml daha separat\u00e7\u0131lara d\u0259st\u0259k verm\u0259m\u0259lidir?
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\n – Bu m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 el\u0259 d\u0259 sad\u0259 deyil. Rusiyan\u0131n separat\u00e7\u0131larla rabit\u0259si var v\u0259 v\u0259ziyy\u0259ti q\u0131c\u0131qland\u0131rmamaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn t\u0259sir ed\u0259 bilirl\u0259r. Moskva at\u0259\u015fk\u0259sd\u0259 maraql\u0131 oldu\u011funa g\u00f6r\u0259 t\u0259sir ed\u0259 bilirl\u0259r, separat\u00e7\u0131lar da onlar\u0131n g\u00f6st\u0259ri\u015fi il\u0259 oturub-dururlar. Amma s\u00f6hb\u0259t m\u00fcv\u0259qq\u0259ti at\u0259\u015fk\u0259sd\u0259n gedir.\n<\/p>\n

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\n Ba\u015fqa bir ziddiyy\u0259t, Ukrayna prezidenti Poro\u015fenko federalla\u015fma bar\u0259d\u0259 he\u00e7 bir q\u0259rar q\u0259bul olunmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 des\u0259 d\u0259, Rusiya prezidenti Putin Donbas \u0259halisinin maraqlar\u0131n\u0131 n\u0259z\u0259r\u0259 alan konstitusiya islahat\u0131ndan dan\u0131\u015f\u0131b. Bu ziddiyy\u0259ti nec\u0259 \u015f\u0259rh ed\u0259rdiniz?
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\n – \u018fslind\u0259, \u0259hat\u0259lik bax\u0131m\u0131ndan s\u0259n\u0259dd\u0259 \u0259lav\u0259 bir-iki b\u0259nd olmal\u0131yd\u0131. Dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar zaman\u0131 bildirildi ki, masada olanlar\u0131n yaln\u0131z 80 faizi haqq\u0131nda q\u0259rar q\u0259bul olunub. Dem\u0259li, m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259l\u0259rin 20 faizi a\u00e7\u0131q qal\u0131b. Bax, sadalad\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131z 20 faiz\u0259 daxildir. Rusiya da, Ukrayna da dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlardan ba\u015fqa \u015fey g\u00f6zl\u0259yirdi. Amma fikir ayr\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 20 faizin a\u00e7\u0131q qalmas\u0131na t\u0259sir etdi. Biz daha \u00e7ox at\u0259\u015fk\u0259sl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 m\u0259qamlar\u0131 v\u0259 m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n q\u0131sam\u00fcdd\u0259tli s\u00fclh \u00e7\u0259r\u00e7iv\u0259sind\u0259 ged\u0259n prosesl\u0259ri g\u00f6r\u00fcr\u00fck. Amma daha \u0259hat\u0259li s\u0259n\u0259din n\u0259 vaxt haz\u0131rlanaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bu g\u00fcn s\u00f6yl\u0259m\u0259k \u00e7ox \u00e7\u0259tindir.\n<\/p>\n

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\n O zaman “bu x\u0259mir h\u0259l\u0259 \u00e7ox su aparacaq” m\u0259s\u0259li aktualla\u015f\u0131rm\u0131?
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\n – B\u0259li, \u00e7ox su aparacaq. \u00c7\u00fcnki t\u0259r\u0259fl\u0259rin \u0259sas ist\u0259yi n\u0259yin bahas\u0131na olursa-olsun, at\u0259\u015fk\u0259sin \u0259ld\u0259 edilm\u0259si idi. \u00c7\u00fcnki h\u0259m Avropa, h\u0259m Rusiya, h\u0259m d\u0259 Ukrayna \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn riskl\u0259r art\u0131rd\u0131. Riskl\u0259rin artmas\u0131 is\u0259 daha b\u00f6y\u00fck probleml\u0259r do\u011fura bil\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n

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\n \u00c7ox maraql\u0131 m\u0259qamlardan birin\u0259 g\u0259l\u0259k, Rusiyaya qar\u015f\u0131 sanksiyalar t\u0259tbiq edilir, \u00f6t\u0259n ilin sonundan \u015fimal qon\u015fumuz 100 milyarddan \u00e7ox itkiy\u0259 m\u0259ruz qal\u0131b, h\u00f6kum\u0259t b\u00f6hran bar\u0259d\u0259 b\u0259yanatlar verir, iqtisadiyyat a\u011f\u0131r m\u0259rh\u0259l\u0259y\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259m qoyub, k\u0259ndl\u0259r bo\u015fal\u0131r… V\u0259 bel\u0259 d\u00f6vrd\u0259 rus xalq\u0131 \u00f6z slavyan qarda\u015flar\u0131na qar\u015f\u0131 m\u00fcharib\u0259 apar\u0131r. Bunun siyasi-psixoloji izah\u0131 n\u0259dir?
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\n – M\u0259n d\u0259f\u0259l\u0259rl\u0259 Rusiyada olur v\u0259 sad\u0259 insanlarla da dan\u0131\u015f\u0131ram. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259y\u0259 he\u00e7 k\u0259s birm\u0259nal\u0131 yana\u015fm\u0131r, zuddiyy\u0259tl\u0259r var. Lakin Rusiya c\u0259miyy\u0259tini birl\u0259\u015fdir\u0259n amil d\u0259 yox deyil. S\u00f6hb\u0259t xarici d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259n amilind\u0259n gedir. \u00dcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, xarici d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259n amili b\u00fct\u00fcn c\u0259miyy\u0259tl\u0259rd\u0259 s\u0259f\u0259rb\u0259redici rol oynay\u0131r. Rusiya c\u0259miyy\u0259tind\u0259 is\u0259 bu amil\u00a0 h\u0259mi\u015f\u0259 t\u0259sirli olub. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, inqilabdan v\u0259 m\u00fcharib\u0259l\u0259rd\u0259n sonrak\u0131 tarixi d\u00f6vrl\u0259r. Bu amil Rusiyan\u0131 ya\u015fad\u0131b v\u0259 b\u00f6y\u00fck \u00f6lk\u0259 edib. Ancaq 90-c\u0131 ill\u0259rd\u0259ki hadis\u0259l\u0259rind\u0259n sonra tarixi sistemd\u0259 pozuntular yaran\u0131b. Bu pozuntular d\u0259y\u0259rl\u0259r b\u00f6hran\u0131na g\u0259tirib \u00e7\u0131xar\u0131b. D\u0259y\u0259rl\u0259r b\u00f6hran\u0131ndan \u00e7\u0131xmaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn m\u00f6vcud siyasi elita xarici d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259nl\u0259rl\u0259 m\u00fcbariz\u0259nin apar\u0131lmas\u0131 amilini qabartmaq yolunu se\u00e7ib. M\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n m\u0259rh\u0259l\u0259d\u0259 xarici d\u00fc\u015fm\u0259n amili \u00f6z rolunu oynay\u0131b. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, Rusiya prezidenti Vladimir Putinin reytinqi art\u0131r v\u0259 s. Amma bunlar 1-2 il t\u0259sir ed\u0259 bil\u0259r, davaml\u0131 olmas\u0131 m\u00fcmk\u00fcns\u00fczd\u00fcr. \u00c7\u00fcnki b\u00fct\u00fcn c\u0259miyy\u0259tl\u0259r sabitlik v\u0259 inki\u015faf ist\u0259yir, m\u00fcharib\u0259y\u0259 d\u00f6zm\u0259y\u0259 haz\u0131r olsalar da, n\u0259tic\u0259d\u0259 onlar\u0131n ist\u0259diyi s\u00fclh olsun. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 Rusiyan\u0131n siyasi elitas\u0131 se\u00e7im qar\u015f\u0131s\u0131ndad\u0131r: onlar m\u00fcharib\u0259nin sonunun he\u00e7 olmasa g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fc d\u0259 olsa, onlar\u0131n q\u0259l\u0259b\u0259si il\u0259 ba\u015fa \u00e7atmas\u0131n\u0131 ist\u0259yirl\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n

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\n – Ukrayna hadis\u0259l\u0259ri v\u0259 \u00fcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, 12 fevral dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131 Erm\u0259nistan-Az\u0259rbaycan dan\u0131\u015f\u0131qlar\u0131na t\u0259sir ed\u0259c\u0259kmi, m\u00fcsb\u0259t v\u0259 m\u0259nfi m\u0259nada?
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\n – H\u0259r halda t\u0259sir olmal\u0131d\u0131r. Bug\u00fcnl\u0259rd\u0259 Avropa Birliyinin C\u0259nubi Qafqaz \u00fczr\u0259 n\u00fcmay\u0259nd\u0259si Helbert Zalbert b\u00f6lg\u0259y\u0259 s\u0259f\u0259ri zaman\u0131 qondarma Da\u011fl\u0131q Qaraba\u011f Respublikas\u0131n\u0131n b\u0259zi \u015f\u0259xsl\u0259ri il\u0259 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015fd\u00fc. Az\u0259rbaycan t\u0259r\u0259fi g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u0259 etiraz etm\u0259yib, y\u0259ni m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n \u00e7alarlar d\u0259yi\u015fir. Bak\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259rm\u0259k ist\u0259yir ki, Ukrayna timsal\u0131nda icmalarla m\u00fcnasib\u0259tl\u0259r qurmaq ist\u0259yirsinizs\u0259, niy\u0259 h\u0259min yana\u015fman\u0131 Qaraba\u011f \u00e7\u0259r\u00e7iv\u0259sind\u0259 ist\u0259mirsiniz?! Helbert Zalbert pe\u015f\u0259kar konfliktoloqdur, g\u00fcman ki, onun bu m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259y\u0259 \u00f6z bax\u0131\u015f\u0131 var. \u018fg\u0259r dialoq ba\u015f tutsa, bu, Avropa \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn bir n\u00fcmun\u0259 ola bil\u0259r. Ki, bax\u0131n, Qaraba\u011f m\u00fcnaqi\u015f\u0259sind\u0259 ed\u0259 bildiks\u0259, dem\u0259li, sizd\u0259 d\u0259 ed\u0259 bil\u0259rik. G\u0259lin, m\u00fcsb\u0259t n\u0259tic\u0259ni Ukraynaya t\u0259tbiq ed\u0259k. Amma prosesin n\u0259 c\u00fcr inki\u015faf etm\u0259si erm\u0259ni t\u0259r\u0259find\u0259n d\u0259 as\u0131l\u0131d\u0131r. Y\u0259ni Erm\u0259nistan himay\u0259darlar\u0131ndan indulgensiya ala bil\u0259c\u0259kl\u0259rmi, yaxud onlar onu ver\u0259c\u0259kl\u0259rmi? Bu g\u00fcn Rusiya da ist\u0259yir Avropayla m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n raz\u0131l\u0131q \u0259ld\u0259 etsin. Son n\u0259tic\u0259d\u0259 biz \u00f6z regionumuzda m\u00fc\u0259yy\u0259n ir\u0259lil\u0259yi\u015fl\u0259r g\u00f6r\u0259 bil\u0259rik.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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