{"id":165172,"date":"2014-09-05T01:03:56","date_gmt":"2014-09-05T01:03:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.meydan.tv\/article\/musbet-durumun-birinci-sebebi-sehiyyemizde-burokratiyanin-cox-az-olmasidir\/"},"modified":"2014-09-05T01:03:56","modified_gmt":"2014-09-05T01:03:56","slug":"musbet-durumun-birinci-sebebi-sehiyyemizde-burokratiyanin-cox-az-olmasidir","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.meydan.tv\/az\/article\/musbet-durumun-birinci-sebebi-sehiyyemizde-burokratiyanin-cox-az-olmasidir\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cM\u00fcsb\u0259t durumun birinci s\u0259b\u0259bi s\u0259hiyy\u0259mizd\u0259 b\u00fcrokratiyan\u0131n \u00e7ox az olmas\u0131d\u0131r\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"
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\n \u201cF\u0259rman Ceyranl\u0131 bel\u0259 bir klinika a\u00e7maqla t\u0259kc\u0259 G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan s\u0259hiyy\u0259si \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn yox, az\u0259rbaycanl\u0131lara da b\u00f6y\u00fck qay\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6st\u0259rdi\u201d
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\n G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan s\u0259f\u0259rimd\u0259 \u201cLanset\u201d Tibb M\u0259rk\u0259zinin beyn\u0259lxalq \u0259laq\u0259l\u0259r \u00fczr\u0259 m\u00fcavini Lado \u00c7ipa\u015fviliyl\u0259 d\u0259 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fd\u00fck. G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan\u0131n sabiq s\u0259hiyy\u0259 v\u0259 \u00c7exiyada sabiq s\u0259firi olan Lado \u00c7ipa\u015fvili 1987-ci ild\u0259 G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan D\u00f6vl\u0259t Tibb Universitetini q\u0131rm\u0131z\u0131 diplomla bitirib, 2 il \u0259yal\u0259t x\u0259st\u0259xanalar\u0131nda c\u0259rrah i\u015fl\u0259dikd\u0259n sonra Moskvada aspiranturada oxuyub. 34 ya\u015f\u0131nda Tiflisin 1 sayl\u0131 \u015f\u0259h\u0259r C\u0259rrahiyy\u0259 Klinikas\u0131n\u0131n direktoru olub. 1999-cu ild\u0259 siyas\u0259t\u0259 g\u0259lib v\u0259 h\u0259min il d\u0259 majoritar qaydada parlament\u0259 \u00fczv se\u00e7ilib. 2003-c\u00fc ild\u0259 Mixael Saaka\u015fvili \u201cMilli H\u0259r\u0259kat\u201d\u0131n lideri kimi hakimiyy\u0259t\u0259 g\u0259l\u0259nd\u0259 Lado \u00c7ipa\u015fvili s\u0259hiyy\u0259 naziri t\u0259yin edilib. 3 il yar\u0131m h\u0259min v\u0259zif\u0259d\u0259 i\u015fl\u0259y\u0259nd\u0259n sonra \u00c7exiya \u00f6lk\u0259sinin f\u00f6vq\u0259lad\u0259 s\u0259firi t\u0259yin olunub.
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\n C\u0259nab \u00c7ipa\u015fvili, bel\u0259 fikir var ki, G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan s\u0259hiyy\u0259sind\u0259 islahatlar Saaka\u015fvili hakimiyy\u0259t\u0259 g\u0259l\u0259nd\u0259n sonra ba\u015flay\u0131b. Bu bax\u0131mdan hans\u0131 q\u0259rarlardan sonra s\u0259hiyy\u0259 sistemind\u0259ki korrupsiyaya a\u011f\u0131r z\u0259rb\u0259 vura bildiniz?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u018fslind\u0259, G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan s\u0259hiyy\u0259sind\u0259 islahatlar 1995-96-c\u0131 ill\u0259rd\u0259 ba\u015flay\u0131b, s\u00f6hb\u0259t ke\u00e7mi\u015f prezident \u015eevardnadzenin hakimiyy\u0259ti ill\u0259rind\u0259n gedir. O zaman s\u0259hiyy\u0259 nadir qurumlardan idi ki, islahatlar sistemsiz v\u0259 a\u011f\u0131r olsa da, gedirdi. \u0130lk add\u0131m kimi s\u0259hiyy\u0259 sisteminin d\u00f6vl\u0259td\u0259n ayr\u0131lmas\u0131 oldu. Amma bu, \u00f6z\u0259ll\u0259\u015fm\u0259 olmasa, ayr\u0131-ayr\u0131 s\u0259hmdar c\u0259miyy\u0259tl\u0259r ad\u0131nda tibbi m\u00fc\u0259ssis\u0259l\u0259r yarad\u0131ld\u0131. 1995-ci il\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r is\u0259 G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan s\u0259hiyy\u0259 sistemi sovet d\u00f6vr\u00fcn\u00fcn qaydalar\u0131 il\u0259 idar\u0259 olunurdu. X\u0259st\u0259xanalar v\u0259 poliklinikalar d\u00f6vl\u0259t b\u00fcdc\u0259si hesab\u0131na saxlan\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. Nec\u0259 ki, Az\u0259rbaycanda bu g\u00fcn indiki v\u0259ziyy\u0259tdir. Bel\u0259likl\u0259, bir s\u0131ra x\u0259st\u0259xanalar S\u0259hmdar C\u0259miyy\u0259t\u0259 \u00e7evril\u0259nd\u0259n sonra 1998-99-cu ill\u0259rd\u0259 s\u0259hiyy\u0259 b\u00fcdc\u0259 maliyy\u0259l\u0259\u015fm\u0259sind\u0259n proqram maliyy\u0259l\u0259\u015fm\u0259sin\u0259 ke\u00e7di. Bu, s\u0259hiyy\u0259 sistemind\u0259 \u00e7ox ciddi siqnal idi. H\u0259min ill\u0259rd\u0259 \u0259n b\u00f6y\u00fck problem pul \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmazl\u0131\u011f\u0131 idi, v\u0259ziyy\u0259t f\u0259lak\u0259t h\u0259ddind\u0259ydi. \u00c7\u00fcnki \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 yuxar\u0131dan idar\u0259 olunan korrupsiya m\u00f6vcud idi. T\u0259s\u0259vv\u00fcr edin ki, evl\u0259rd\u0259 i\u015f\u0131q, qaz yox idi, o c\u00fcml\u0259d\u0259n, x\u0259st\u0259xanalarda. Bir s\u00f6zl\u0259, maliyy\u0259 sistemi \u00e7ox pis v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259ydi. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 s\u0259hiyy\u0259miz pulsuz idi. G\u0259l\u0259k, m\u0259nim nazir oldu\u011fum d\u00f6vr\u0259, i\u015f\u0259 ba\u015flayan kimi 3 m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259y\u0259 x\u00fcsusi \u00f6n\u0259m verdim. Birinci, s\u0259hiyy\u0259nin infrastrukturu, ikinci, tibb v\u0259 nah\u0259y\u0259t, pasient personal\u0131n\u0131n durumuna \u00f6n\u0259mli diqq\u0259t ayr\u0131ld\u0131. S\u0259hiyy\u0259mizin infrastrukturu tamamil\u0259 da\u011f\u0131lm\u0131\u015fd\u0131, \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259 m\u00fcasir tipli x\u0259st\u0259xana, klinika yox idi, tibb m\u0259rk\u0259zl\u0259ri b\u00fct\u00fcn m\u0259nalarda talan edilmi\u015fdi. \u0130kinci, tibb personal\u0131, h\u0259kiml\u0259r n\u0259inki aylarla, ill\u0259rl\u0259 \u0259m\u0259khaqq\u0131 alm\u0131rd\u0131. Pasientl\u0259r\u0259 g\u0259l\u0259k, onlar x\u0259st\u0259xanaya q\u0259bul olunanda \u00f6zl\u0259ri il\u0259 d\u0259rman, yod, bint d\u0259 al\u0131rd\u0131lar, h\u0259tta generatorun i\u015fl\u0259nm\u0259si \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn yanaca\u011f\u0131 da x\u0259st\u0259l\u0259r al\u0131rd\u0131, h\u0259r x\u0259st\u0259y\u0259 20 litr yanacaq, \u00e7\u00fcnki i\u015f\u0131qlar tez-tez s\u00f6n\u00fcrd\u00fc. T\u0259s\u0259vv\u00fcr edirsinizmi, bu, d\u0259h\u015f\u0259tli bir \u015fey idi. G\u00f6r\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fcz, m\u0259n s\u0259hiyy\u0259 sistemini hans\u0131 v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259 q\u0259bul etmi\u015f\u0259m?!\n<\/p>\n

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\n B\u0259s 3 il yar\u0131m sonra v\u0259zif\u0259d\u0259n ayr\u0131landa s\u0259hiyy\u0259ni hans\u0131 v\u0259ziyy\u0259td\u0259 t\u0259hvil verdiniz?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00d6lk\u0259d\u0259 Avropa standartlar\u0131na cavab ver\u0259n x\u0259st\u0259xanalar f\u0259aliyy\u0259t g\u00f6st\u0259rirdi. X\u0259st\u0259xanalar\u0131n bir hiss\u0259si d\u00f6vl\u0259tin, bir hiss\u0259si is\u0259 investorlar\u0131n hesab\u0131na tikilmi\u015fdi. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259n, Kutaisid\u0259, Tiflisd\u0259, Zuqdidid\u0259 m\u00fcasir, m\u00fcxt\u0259lif profilli x\u0259st\u0259xanalar in\u015fa olundu, postumu t\u0259hvil ver\u0259nd\u0259 bir \u00e7oxlar\u0131 da tikilirdi. \u0130kinci, x\u0259st\u0259xanalarda \u201cqara m\u00fchasibat\u201dl\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u0131radan \u00e7\u0131xartd\u0131q.\n<\/p>\n

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\n Sonuncunu nec\u0259 etdiniz?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 T\u0259\u015f\u0259bb\u00fcs\u00fc yerl\u0259r\u0259 verdik, m\u0259rk\u0259zl\u0259\u015fm\u0259 sistemind\u0259n qa\u00e7ma\u011fa imkan yaratd\u0131q. X\u0259st\u0259xanalar\u0131n b\u00fct\u00fcn ba\u015f h\u0259kiml\u0259ri qanuni, \u201cqara m\u00fchasibat\u201d olmadan i\u015fl\u0259m\u0259y\u0259 maraq g\u00f6st\u0259rdil\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n

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\n B\u0259s korrupsiyaya bula\u015fm\u0131\u015f ba\u015f h\u0259kiml\u0259r buna mane olmurdular?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Onlar\u0131 k\u0259narla\u015fd\u0131rd\u0131q, d\u00fczd\u00fcr, a\u011f\u0131r olsa da, buna getdik. Bilirsiniz, G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan ki\u00e7ik \u00f6lk\u0259dir, kimin korrupsiyayla m\u0259\u015f\u011ful oldu\u011funu ham\u0131 bilirdi.\n<\/p>\n

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\n H\u0259min adamlar m\u0259hk\u0259m\u0259y\u0259 \u00fcz tutmad\u0131larm\u0131?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00c7ox c\u00fczi hiss\u0259si m\u0259hk\u0259m\u0259l\u0259rd\u0259 iddia qald\u0131rd\u0131 v\u0259 biz\u0259 \u00e7amur atd\u0131lar. Amma m\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 ondad\u0131r ki, \u00f6lk\u0259 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn b\u00f6y\u00fck i\u015f g\u00f6r\u0259nd\u0259, g\u0259r\u0259k, buna g\u00f6r\u0259 he\u00e7 kimin s\u0259n\u0259 sa\u011f ol dem\u0259y\u0259c\u0259yini bilm\u0259lis\u0259n. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 biz \u00e7amur atanlara fikir verm\u0259dik. \u018fsas k\u00f6m\u0259yimiz o oldu ki, islahatlar v\u0259 qanunlar\u0131n i\u015fl\u0259m\u0259si \u00f6lk\u0259nin b\u00fct\u00fcn nazirlikl\u0259rind\u0259 paralel \u015f\u0259kild\u0259 apar\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. \u018fg\u0259r s\u0259hiyy\u0259ni t\u0259crid edib islahat aparsayd\u0131q, \u00e7\u0259tin ki, n\u0259y\u0259s\u0259 nail olard\u0131q. \u015e\u0259xs\u0259n m\u0259n\u0259 nazir kimi polis sistemind\u0259ki islahatlar k\u00f6m\u0259k etdi. Biz D\u00f6vl\u0259t Yol Polisini burax\u0131b, \u0259v\u0259zind\u0259 patrul yaratd\u0131q, n\u0259tic\u0259d\u0259 bu sah\u0259d\u0259 indi r\u00fc\u015fv\u0259t yoxdur. O c\u00fcml\u0259d\u0259n, t\u0259hsil sistemind\u0259 islahatlar ke\u00e7irildi, birinci, ayr\u0131-ayr\u0131 ali universitetl\u0259rd\u0259 imtahanlar\u0131 l\u0259\u011fv edib bir imtahana ke\u00e7dik. Bununla da ali m\u0259kt\u0259bl\u0259rin q\u0259bul \u015f\u00f6b\u0259l\u0259rind\u0259ki korrupsiya \u201cz\u0259ncirini\u201d q\u0131rd\u0131q. D\u00fczd\u00fcr, a\u011f\u0131r s\u0259hvl\u0259rimiz oldu v\u0259 buna g\u00f6r\u0259 d\u0259 se\u00e7kil\u0259rd\u0259 uduzduq.\n<\/p>\n

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\n \u018fn b\u00f6y\u00fck s\u0259hv n\u0259d\u0259n ibar\u0259t idi?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u018fn b\u00f6y\u00fck s\u0259hv hakimiyy\u0259tin v\u0259t\u0259nda\u015flar\u0131n daxili i\u015fin\u0259 qar\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 idi. B\u0259li, hakimiyy\u0259td\u0259kil\u0259r r\u00fc\u015fv\u0259t alm\u0131rd\u0131lar, amma biznesmenl\u0259rd\u0259n do\u011fru olmayan yollarla pul al\u0131rd\u0131lar. D\u00fczd\u00fcr, h\u0259min pullar m\u0259murlar\u0131n cibin\u0259 getmirdi, d\u00f6vl\u0259tin probleml\u0259rin\u0259 x\u0259rcl\u0259nirdi, yen\u0259 d\u0259 do\u011fru add\u0131m deyildi. Bu is\u0259 naraz\u0131l\u0131q yarad\u0131rd\u0131 v\u0259 n\u0259tic\u0259d\u0259 sabiq m\u0259murlar\u0131n b\u0259zil\u0259ri h\u0259bsd\u0259, b\u0259zil\u0259ri is\u0259 \u00f6lk\u0259d\u0259n k\u0259nardad\u0131rlar.\n<\/p>\n

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\n Qay\u0131daq yenid\u0259n s\u0259hiyy\u0259 sistemin\u0259, siz islahatlar\u0131n ba\u015flan\u011f\u0131c\u0131nda 3 add\u0131m sadalad\u0131n\u0131z, bunlar edil\u0259nd\u0259n sonra daha hans\u0131 q\u0259rarlar q\u0259bul etdiniz ki, proses d\u0259rinl\u0259\u015fdi?
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\n –\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 M\u0259n pasientl\u0259rl\u0259 ba\u011fl\u0131 bir m\u0259qama toxunacam, 2003-c\u00fc il\u0259 q\u0259d\u0259r G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan v\u0259t\u0259nda\u015flar\u0131 sa\u011flaml\u0131qlar\u0131n\u0131 qorumaq \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcn ma\u015f\u0131n\u0131n\u0131, evini sat\u0131rd\u0131sa, m\u0259nim nazir t\u0259yin olunma\u011f\u0131mdan sonra b\u00fct\u00fcnl\u00fckl\u0259 tibbi s\u0131\u011fortaya ke\u00e7dik. H\u0259r 3 n\u0259f\u0259rd\u0259n biri tibbi s\u0131\u011forta ald\u0131 ki, o d\u00f6vl\u0259tin hesab\u0131na m\u00fcalic\u0259 olunacaq. \u0130\u015f yeri olanlara is\u0259 60-70 faiz g\u00fcz\u0259\u015ft n\u0259z\u0259rd\u0259 tutuldu, y\u0259ni onlardan f\u0259rqli olaraq pensiya\u00e7\u0131lar, yoxsul \u015f\u0259raitd\u0259 ya\u015fayanlar d\u00f6vl\u0259tin hesab\u0131na pulsuz m\u00fcalic\u0259 alma\u011fa ba\u015flad\u0131. Bax\u0131n, tibbi s\u0131\u011forta hesab\u0131na h\u0259r g\u00fcn 25-30 c\u0259rrahiyy\u0259 \u0259m\u0259liyyat\u0131 ke\u00e7irilir. Amma haz\u0131rk\u0131 hakimiyy\u0259t b\u00fct\u00fcn \u0259halini tibbi s\u0131\u011fortaya c\u0259lb etm\u0259k ist\u0259yir. \u00dcmumiyy\u0259tl\u0259, son 15-20 ild\u0259 G\u00fcrc\u00fcstanda m\u00fcasir tibb sistemi inki\u015faf etm\u0259y\u0259 ba\u015flad\u0131, buda k\u00f6hn\u0259 sistemin da\u011f\u0131lmas\u0131 hesab\u0131na ba\u015f verdi. M\u00f6vcud m\u00fcsb\u0259t durumun birinci s\u0259b\u0259bi s\u0259hiyy\u0259mizd\u0259 b\u00fcrokratiyan\u0131n \u00e7ox az olmas\u0131d\u0131r. M\u0259s\u0259l\u0259 ondad\u0131r ki, \u00f6z\u0259l t\u0259\u015f\u0259bb\u00fcsl\u0259r olanda pul \u201ck\u00fcl\u0259y\u0259\u201d sovrulmur. Bu g\u00fcn G\u00fcrc\u00fcstandak\u0131 x\u0259st\u0259xanalar\u0131n 95 faizi \u00f6z\u0259ldir. Ona g\u00f6r\u0259 G\u00fcrc\u00fcstan s\u0259hiyy\u0259si postsovet m\u0259kan\u0131nda \u0259n inki\u015faf etmi\u015f say\u0131la bil\u0259r.\n<\/p>\n

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\n B\u0259s nazir, daha sonra s\u0259fir i\u015fl\u0259y\u0259n c\u0259nab \u00c7ipa\u015fvilini \u201cLanset\u201d Tibb M\u0259rk\u0259zin\u0259 hans\u0131 amill\u0259r g\u0259tirdi?
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